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<DIV>The wind correction and attititude vs. track discussion was front and center last weekend in Jacksonville. My aircraft (Symphony) was flying differently than other aircraft. It was perceived that the aircraft was flying slower than others in my category. And although my scores from the judges didn't reflect the conversation it was feared that less experienced judges may score me lower than others because of the attitude of the aircraft and not the track of the aircraft. If you speed the aircraft up then true airspeed beats windspeed but how long does it take you to speed up the aircraft then slow it down for a maneuver and how much does speeding up and slowing down mess up your timing to get into and out of manevuers correctly. Our patterns dictate developing habits and timing and to speed up you mess all that up. Unfortunately we don't get to fly in perfect wind direction(of down the runway) for no cross wind correction. But then wind down the runway has its problems as well. </DIV>
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<DIV>My aircraft remained correct position from the runway however was pointed in a little more than others(wind blowing out all weekend). One of my fellow fliers made note that it was a joy to watch my aircraft flown through all maneuvers with proper wind correction to keep my aircraft on proper track. I didn't change my aircraft speed all weekend long and ended up doing o.k... </DIV></DIV>
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<DIV>Later in the day I was in the chair with one of the people that I was having discussion with. To make my point I brought up stall turns and how in the beginning of the maneauver you are fast and don't need correction but as the aircraft goes up and slows down you must come in with correction otherwise the track of the aircraft will get blown. And it just so happened that a couple of intermidiate guys helped me out. They came screaming across the box online a straight line pulled to the vertical and with the wind and no correction got blown out pretty good ,about a 30 degree line from start to finish, and then they stayed to the rule of thumb of stalling into the wind and then let the aircraft fall straight down getting blown out even further. The whole maneuver looked ugly and downgrades were appopriate and helped illustrate the track vs. presentation/grace and all that other stuff. </DIV>
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<DIV>The hobbyist on the forum who are full scale pilots know that if you don't hold a wind correction while flying from point A to point B you will never see point B if you don't wind correct. NO MATTER what the speed of the aircraft is. I have personally flown in some wind conditions that required angles some 45 degrees off the track of the aircraft. I was able to get from A to B. In the full scale world your judged if you can make it from A to B with the least amount of drift. Drift cost a pilot huge in the pocket with wasted gas and time. </DIV>
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<DIV>The NATS this year was a perfect example. Anyone who was there on finals day saw some of the ugliest accute angles you have ever seen. However the top pilots kept their aircraft on the line and flew correctly to compensate for the wind. There was no aircraft flown in the finals (Masters/FAI) that didn't have some wild accute angles to keep the track of the aircraft correct. And it didn't matter how fast they flew crab angles were a must. The wild thing about the finals was that the wind changed in direction all throughout the day and was a constant challenge to all involved.</DIV>
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<DIV>Last year I was talking with an FAI pilot who recalled similar conditions at the NATS years back and he was in the chair but did not feel qualified as a judge to judge in the wind conditions the guys were flying in. </DIV>
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<DIV>Erik<BR><BR></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I'll always score the technically correct higher!! </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>As a judge I just am amazed at the folks that will wind correct properly on uplines and simply disregard it on downlines - totally destroying a good score. Unfortunately - some judges still can't get past the ugly, the only sure way around this is to score with some sort of machine. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>It takes a lot of practice to develop a "feel" for the wind so as to recognize just what / how much to compensate. Often the pilot requires several maneuvers to get this feel in a competition flight - the judges instantly see the results. The latter may be why some feel wind corrected maneuvers don't score well - it's easy for the judge to see and hard to fly correctly.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>How about some technical discussion of wind correcting - we're drawing maneuvers in a moving medium (air) that affects the trajectory of our machine (airplane). Does speed really help - other than shortening the time exposure? Is slower better - gives more time to correctly apply thrust vector "against" the wind? Uplines take some (x) power in calm, additional power is needed for the wind vector (y), how much y to maintain x in calm? Steve's point - downlines are affected by the same wind as uplines, gravity usually is used for x - won't y thrust (adding power) improve downline attitude in wind? Can power be added for y without helping gravity too much (downline speed)?</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>Thanx Ken, but which would you score higher?? I know what we are supposed to do, but that is the jist of my post. </DIV>
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<DIV>Ed<BR><BR><B><I>Ken Thompson <<A href="mailto:mrandmrst@comcast.net">mrandmrst@comcast.net</A>></I></B> wrote:</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hard to ignore "ugly", but you need to judge the "track"</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, September 29, 2006 9:13 PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [NSRCA-discussion] Wind correction</DIV>
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<DIV>Hey everyone. While the season is winding down, Don Ramsey and I had an interesting discussion this past weekend. Am wondering what the general consensus is.</DIV>
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<DIV>First, let me state, judges are human and I understand that. Also, many judges don't know the exact wording of many rules, I understant that also.</DIV>
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<DIV>Soooo</DIV>
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<DIV>Will a pilot score higher if they follow the letter of the law and wind correct perfectly, but fly an ugly manuever, or wind correct a little and let the plane look "prettier" in a manuever?????</DIV>
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<DIV>Lets use the first maneuver in the Master's sequence after entering the box. Stall turn 1 1/4 rolls up, 3/4 rolls down exit inverted. On a strong wind day, not pulling to vertical to maintain the line doesn't look to bad (we expect that) the 1 1/4 rolls in centered, looking good, appropriate rudder is given to maintain a straight vertical line (again expected and usually doesn't require much as we are at full throttle), the stall goes off without a hitch, but do to lack of airspeed we cant the fuse and hold rudder into the wind letting the fuse lean at a 45degree angle to maintain a straight line (this is the part I'm curious about) until the 3/4 roll and using a little down elevator to hold the line after the roll (again expected but not ugly)</DIV>
<DIV>Everything about this manuever is done and doesn't detract from the overall appearance of the manuever except the down line after the stall, which is simply "UGLY"</DIV>
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<DIV>Just curious what everyone says. Again, I know what the rules say, and am not interested in a rule book interpretation, but what do you think about scoring better vs worse???</DIV>
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<DIV>Thanx</DIV>
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