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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Dave makes a good point - local flyers generally
believe that the quality of a pattern flight is due to the airplane - they could
fly this well if they chose to spend mega-dollars on a pattern plane. Flying the
same maneuvers with an Ultra-Stik, or U-Can-Do can really change their mind.
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Don't overlook the intimidation factor - some folks
just don't want to jump into pattern and "look bad" compared to the local guru.
Make every effort to encourage, help, and guide anyone with even a little
interest - suppress the urge to describe the "ideal" $$$ pattern airplane and
discuss maneuvers / trimming / technique using whatever maneuverable airplane
folks have.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Earl</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, September 28, 2006 2:51
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] OK it's
time to stir things up. Where'sthebeef?</DIV>
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<DIV>Georgie's last point/example is understated. At any number of
fields whether event specific or not, the pattern planes are almost always
viewed as impressive planes, even if the pattern flying is boring. It is
a select few that are actually inspired by pattern. I've gotten far more
interest in pattern when flying my sport planes.....they are easier to
identify with for most modelers, and when ask questions about the plane,
setup, how I learned, etc....I slowly lead them down the road of all I've
learned about planes, setups, flying techniques, etc, and that I aquired the
knowledge from flying pattern. Then the benefit and worth of pattern has
far more value.</DIV>
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<DIV>Regards,</DIV>
<DIV><BR>Dave Lockhart</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><FONT color=#000080><<<<Has anyone
got any stats on the effectivity of the pattern primers? I know
of some new guys who’ve come into it this
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><FONT color=#000080>Just by way of
encouragement to those who may feel some degree of frustration at their lack
of results in trying to entice the local genre to give pattern a try. In my
local area, there are several clubs that I hold memberships in
and these people have watched me fly sequence upon sequence for about
the last eight years.Some of these individuals display some degree of
interest/desire while others view my efforts with outright
disdain.</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><FONT color=#000080>My feeling is that there is
not a heck of a lot you can do on and individual basis to induce
someone to apply themselves to the pursuit of our passion.There has to
already be some competitive/challenge aspect to their basic personality that
makes them want to conquer the unknown difficulty eating away at the
root of their psyche and if it just happens to be pattern that fires up
their competitive drive at that particular time we may have discovered
a possible conscription.</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><FONT color=#000080>For all the years that I
have been exposing the locals to our particular art-form the peanut gallery
has not contained the enlightened/gifted someone 'til the last year or so.
About a year ago one of the local sport flyers who I had not previously
known stepped forth and informed me that his hero was none other than CPLR,
and one day his intent was to replace Christophe on the World Podium. Well I
did everything I could to encourage him to realize his dream and this year I
prodded him into attending a local primer (which he felt was a long way
to travel) in which he finished 1st in Sportsman.</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><FONT color=#000080>Now let me tell you that
this individual is by no means an accomplished pattern flyer, but the result
of this simple achievement produced a knee-jerk reaction in his local club,
as there were other individuals who, feeling that they were certainly every
bit the flyer as he, decided that they could duplicate his
performance. </FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><FONT color=#000080>By the next contest, we had
two new participants and lately there has been another individual expressing
a serious interest in joining the ranks. And we have noticed a couple of
more guys paying close attention to the goings on.</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><FONT color=#000080>The important thing to
remember here is that these results don't stem from anything that I did, but
what a beginner has been able to accomplish with minimal determination.
An example set by an individual who is regarded as an equal is far more
effective than some fantastic demo put on by someone who is viewed by the
audience as occupying an unattainable status. </FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><FONT color=#000080>Just wanted us to know that
I feel quite thrilled about these gratifying results. Thanks for
listening.</FONT></FONT></DIV>
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color=#000080>G. <o:p></o:p></FONT></FONT></DIV>
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<A title=chris@ssd.fsi.com href="mailto:chris@ssd.fsi.com">White,
Chris</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, September 28, 2006
11:00 AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] OK
it's time to stir things up. Where'sthebeef?</DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Good discussion
and no doubt that If I were going to fly a contest with Jason or someone
of that caliber…I’d be there and would promote it heavily. I can
sure sympathize with their contest demands though….
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Not meaning to
change the subject, assuming it is still growing pattern…. Has
anyone got any stats on the effectivity of the pattern
primers? I know of some new guys who’ve come into it this way.
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Chris<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Mike Hester<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Thursday, September 28, 2006
9:47 AM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B>
<st1:PersonName w:st="on">NSRCA Mailing List</st1:PersonName><BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] OK
it's time to stir things up. Where's
thebeef?</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I like the idea of
"qualifying" by flying at least 3 contests prior to the team trials.
Didn't we used to do this? However, as has been stated, there are other
factors.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Somebody mentioned Jason, he
is an exception. But has been for years. he not only competes locally, but
is also active on the lists and forums, very helpful, usually not
arguementative, and you don't get the feeling that his comments are
tainted by sponsorship. Also, he's an absolute riot to be around at
contests. </SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Now here's one huge problem,
let's take right now for instance. Take any local pattern contest, what's
the prize for 1st place? Usually a piece of wood and a "you da man!"
What's the top prize for the Don Lowe masters? A pretty good paycheck. So,
other things may take priority.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Keep in mind these guys are
playing a different game than most of us. There's money involved, and
they're playing for keeps. Anywhere there's competition, there's going to
be money involved. It's just a question of
degree.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">On the sponsorship
stickers....c'mon man, I had stickers on my plane when I wasn't sponsored.
I liked the idea of advertising and supporting a company/product I really
liked, or had treated me exceptionally well. The only issue I've ever had
with sponsorships is that in certain cases, you have to make sure the
sponsored person is telling you the WHOLE truth, and giving the right
advise to the right person. An FAI pilot telling a sportsman guy how to
equip and set up his plane is cool at first glance, but if the sportsman
guy flies the exact same set up at the FAI guy, he may be in way over his
head. The sequences require different things. In FAI performance is the #1
consideration, in sportsman reliability is much more
important.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Just adding some stirring,
this one ain't boiling yet =)</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">-Mike</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <A
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href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A>
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style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Subject:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
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[NSRCA-discussion] OK it's time to stir things up. Where's the
beef?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> I have an observation that I've made that
disturbes me. I don't think that we are getting enough of the top notch
or team worthy flyers participating on a local level.
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> I think that in the future the team trials
need to be revamped so that a flyer wanting to make the team would be
required to fly in at least 3 to 5 local contests per
year.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> Here's why I think this is important. We
need the top names in our sport to be part of the sport from a
leadership standpoint. Imagine a QQ showing up to fly against Andrew at
a local contest. It would be much more exciting to watch and it would
therefore promote more interest. If we continue on the path we are going
interest in pattern will continue to
slide.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> In the 70's when the team selection was
known as the Masters you had to fly your way into the contest by
accumulating points on the local level. It was exciting. Were totally
missing the boat with our present
system.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> So here's the deal. Support the real
pattern flyers who make the effort to support us and we will all be
better off. Oh and for what it's worth I think we would be better off
all around if we didn't allow any stickers or blatant advertising of any
products in our sport. Let's get back to the flyers who do it on there
own without all the sponsorships.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> All this is just what I've seen
in the last 6 years of flying after a 15 year absence for the
hobby. TIA for letting me vent and as my budddy Bobby Satalino
would say "Have a nice day"!
Mike Mueller<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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