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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Good point Nat. Thanks. Still, having
aileron in the slipstream provides lift even as airspeed slows.
Agree?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>--lance</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Lance - Peter</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Sorry for the delayed response. I would like to
point out the slipstream effect on the empennage is more of a steady state
nature, whereas the aileron effects are instantaneously
disruptive.
Nat</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Nat and Peter,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I differ on this. I've built 3 sets of
test wings on an Aries with 20, 22, 24" ailerons. The idea was to see
if I could get more aileron effectiveness while flying at a slower pace on
uplines. this is where airspeed is lower and ailerons lose
effectiveness. The thought is to catch some of the prop blast to boost
effectiveness and give a more consistent feel.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>It works well. Do not be concerned about
longer ailerons affecting airflow over the stab. The swirling
propstream does far more damage. On the Symphony I found 22" to be my
favorite and I've updated the kit. On the Aries, 24" seems to work
best.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>It sure is great to be able to continuously
improve a good desing into a great one. Every time you start over with
a new plane there's a whole new learning curve.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>--Lance</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, September 01, 2006 9:12
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Peter</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>You are not barking up the wrong tree
<G> - there is no reason not to stop the aileron about even with the
stab tip. You have nothing to lose. Nat </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, September 01, 2006
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">My current
model has ailerons which extend a fair way towards the fuselage
(Comp-ARF IMPACT) What effect does the turbulence coming off the aileron
have on the tail plane. I am currently building another IMPACT (IMHO
flies extremely well) which I am considering to reduce their size by
cutting and fixing the inboard part to the wing in an attempt to clean
up the airflow over the tail plane during rolling maneuvers . The
model does roll well but it could be
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