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<DIV><SPAN class=610200518-05092006><FONT color=#0000ff size=3>If I remember
correctly, I think everything was a full flying surface on it. I think Chip said
is was smooth but wouldn't spin/snap.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<P><FONT
size=2>Regards,<BR>Jason<BR>www.jasonshulman.com<BR>www.shulmanaviation.com<BR>www.composite-arf.com</FONT>
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size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]<B>On Behalf Of </B>Terry
Brox<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, September 05, 2006 1:42 PM<BR><B>To:</B> NSRCA
Mailing List<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Aero design
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<DIV>Didnt Merle Hyde build a Dash 5 with complete wings movement for
ailerons?</DIV>
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<A title=geobet@gis.net href="mailto:geobet@gis.net">george w. kennie</A>
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<DIV>I swear I've bought some ARF's that had helical ailerons. Trust me,
It's not all that it's cracked up to be! (or maybe that was a
mis-statement).</DIV>
<DIV>G.</DIV>
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<A title=jpavlick@idseng.com href="mailto:jpavlick@idseng.com">John
Pavlick</A> </DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=730511403-05092006>Yeah, or do the "flexiron" thing. You
can make all kinds of cool shapes with 3 servos. The flexible aileron will
interpolate the rest of the curve (somewhat). Think about it. Hey, maybe
we should actually try this. </SPAN></DIV>
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<P><FONT size=2>John Pavlick<BR><A href="http://www.idseng.com"
target=_blank>http://www.idseng.com</A><BR> </FONT> </P></SPAN></DIV>
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face=Tahoma>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> <A
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</A>
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]<B>On Behalf Of
</B>Rcmaster199@aol.com<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, September 04, 2006 11:04
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<DIV>
<DIV>Now John may be on to something here....3 servos driving
each aileron on a pattern plane. HMMMMM!!!</DIV>
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<DIV>If helical is what you want, cut the aileron 3 ways, proportional
areas in each segment of course and drive it with Johns 3
preprogrammed servos. And you can use the smallest, fastest servos
around so your response will be outasight. That's the ticket laddie,
Ahuh....</DIV>
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<DIV>VBG</DIV>
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<DIV>I think I'll open another bottle of Rafanelli '02, and
continue toasting :)</DIV>
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<DIV>Matt</DIV>
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<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>In a message dated 9/4/2006 10:50:47 PM Eastern Standard Time,
jpavlick@idseng.com writes:</DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=610271002-05092006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff>Now
that sounds like the way to go! Except I think you actually need
3 servos to do it right. I'm setting up the mix on my 12z
now...</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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color=#0000ff></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=610271002-05092006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff>
<P>John Pavlick<BR><A title=http://www.idseng.com/
href="http://www.idseng.com/"
target=_blank>http://www.idseng.com/</A><BR>
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face=Tahoma>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>
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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]<B>On Behalf Of
</B>george w. kennie<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, September 04, 2006 9:55
PM<BR><B>To:</B> NSRCA Mailing List<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Aero design question<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>For cryin' out loud, if your going to go to
all that trouble, use two servos per panel at the opposing extremes
of each flexible aileron driving in opposite directions. Now that's
HELICAL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! What the heck have you guys been
smokin' ?????????????? And I thought I was extreme. Are we in
the "Twilight Zone" here? BGw?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>G.</FONT></DIV>
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2006 9:05 PM</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Helical pitch ailerons! Nat, this is
brilliant. Instead of making stiff ailerons, make them to
flex. glue the tip to the wing tip and drive the root
end. Ailerons would work just like a 74x6
propeller.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>--Lance</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=mailto:natpenton@centurytel.net
href="mailto:natpenton@centurytel.net">Nat Penton</A> </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, September 03,
2006 9:31 PM</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Hey Tom</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>I'm not providing solutions - just
putt'in more wood on the fire. In steady state roll the least
drag position of the ailerons would be constant AOA root to tip.
This would call for the percentage of chord to progress linearly
so that it would be double at the tip vs the mid span position -
no different than helical pitch. </FONT><FONT face=Arial>A (
severe ?) negative would occur, though, when the ailerons
are initiated, potentially causing a tip stall.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Martin Simmons provides a curve showing Cl
vs % of chord for the aileron. Going over 20% doesen't get
you much for the dollar - just much more servo wear and tear (
especially with the 160 <G> ).</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>IMO it is not worth the extra work to stop
the ailerons short of the
tip.
Nat</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>
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