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<DIV><SPAN class=730511403-05092006>Yeah, or do the "flexiron" thing. You can
make all kinds of cool shapes with 3 servos. The flexible aileron will
interpolate the rest of the curve (somewhat). Think about it. Hey, maybe we
should actually try this. </SPAN></DIV>
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<P><FONT size=2>John Pavlick<BR><A href="http://www.idseng.com/"
target=_blank>http://www.idseng.com</A><BR> </FONT> </P></SPAN></DIV>
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face=Tahoma>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]<B>On Behalf Of
</B>Rcmaster199@aol.com<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, September 04, 2006 11:04
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[NSRCA-discussion] Aero design question<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>Now John may be on to something here....3 servos driving each
aileron on a pattern plane. HMMMMM!!!</DIV>
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<DIV>If helical is what you want, cut the aileron 3 ways, proportional areas
in each segment of course and drive it with Johns 3 preprogrammed servos.
And you can use the smallest, fastest servos around so your response will be
outasight. That's the ticket laddie, Ahuh....</DIV>
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<DIV>VBG</DIV>
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<DIV>I think I'll open another bottle of Rafanelli '02, and continue
toasting :)</DIV>
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<DIV>Matt</DIV>
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<DIV>In a message dated 9/4/2006 10:50:47 PM Eastern Standard Time,
jpavlick@idseng.com writes:</DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=610271002-05092006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff>Now that
sounds like the way to go! Except I think you actually need 3 servos to
do it right. I'm setting up the mix on my 12z
now...</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<P>John Pavlick<BR><A title=http://www.idseng.com/
href="http://www.idseng.com/"
target=_blank>http://www.idseng.com/</A><BR> </P></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]<B>On Behalf Of
</B>george w. kennie<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, September 04, 2006 9:55
PM<BR><B>To:</B> NSRCA Mailing List<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re:
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>For cryin' out loud, if your going to go to all that
trouble, use two servos per panel at the opposing extremes of each
flexible aileron driving in opposite directions. Now that's HELICAL
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! What the heck have you guys been smokin'
?????????????? And I thought I was extreme. Are we in the "Twilight
Zone" here? BGw?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>G.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Helical pitch ailerons! Nat, this is
brilliant. Instead of making stiff ailerons, make them to
flex. glue the tip to the wing tip and drive the root end.
Ailerons would work just like a 74x6 propeller.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>--Lance</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, September 03, 2006
9:31 PM</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Hey Tom</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>I'm not providing solutions - just putt'in
more wood on the fire. In steady state roll the least drag position of
the ailerons would be constant AOA root to tip. This would call for
the percentage of chord to progress linearly so that it would be
double at the tip vs the mid span position - no different than helical
pitch. </FONT><FONT face=Arial>A ( severe ?) negative would occur,
though, when the ailerons are initiated, potentially causing a
tip stall.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Martin Simmons provides a curve showing Cl vs %
of chord for the aileron. Going over 20% doesen't get you much
for the dollar - just much more servo wear and tear ( especially with
the 160 <G> ).</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>IMO it is not worth the extra work to stop the
ailerons short of the
tip.
Nat</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>
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