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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Vicente,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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Great analogy!<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>I understand your emphasis on average. I think the average right
now is a bit skewed (to the low side) as much of the flying initially was done
by guys towards the top of the heat who were testing packs, changing packs
frequently (as new versions arrived on the scene), etc, and longevity is bound to
suffer at the start of the learning curve.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>There is no doubt that running the lipos hot and discharging deeply will
decrease the number of cycles. On my lipos I put a "tick" mark
on a piece of tape on the lipo after every flight (swiped the idea from Jerry
Budd). My four sets of TP5300s all perform equally at this time, and have
90, 83, 32, and 14 cycles on them. After an average PO7, my lipo
temps are around 115F, which is substantially cooler than most guys were seeing
at the NATs this year (and this is using 3500 - 3800 mah in a 9 minute flight
takeoff roll to touchdown). I suspect a number of guys (myself included)
will have some packs with well over 100 flights, and maybe close to 200 flights
by the end of this summer.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Dave<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>vicenterc@comcast.net<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, August 09, 2006
3:32 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">NSRCA
Mailing List</st1:PersonName>; <st1:PersonName w:st="on">NSRCA Mailing List</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b> DaveL322@comcast.net<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Electric/Glow Pros and Cons</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Dave,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>That is why underline AVERAGE. That is the number we need.
This is like when we go to <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">las
Vegas</st1:place></st1:City>. We are very open and willing to
inform how much we WIN but we never tell how much we
loose. Well is also similar to how much we spend in this hobby. I
always tell my wife that is cheaper than bars and women but the real number is
a secret.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Vicente "Vince" Bortone<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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From: DaveL322@comcast.net <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Closer to 220 accumulated from spring of 2005 to spring of 2006, at
which time they were shifted to sport use. In any case, I'm not aware of
many packs going 200+ flights for pattern use.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
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Dave Lockhart<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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12.0pt'>-------------- Original message -------------- <br>
From: "Scott Anderson" <scott@rcfoamy.com> <br>
<br>
> Joe, <br>
> your right but that was after hitting 300.. <br>
> anyhow food for thought.. <br>
> <br>
> s. <br>
> ----- Original Message ----- <br>
> From: "Joe Lachowski" <br>
<JLACHOW@HOTMAIL.COM>> To: <br>
<NSRCA-DISCUSSION@LISTS.NSRCA.ORG>> Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 1:27 PM
<br>
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Electric/Glow Pros and Cons <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> > Yeah, but I believe that pack has been religated to sport use though.
<br>
> > <br>
> > <br>
> >>From: "Scott Anderson" <br>
<SCOTT@RCFOAMY.COM>> >>Reply-To: <st1:PersonName w:st="on">NSRCA
Mailing List</st1:PersonName> <br>
<NSRCA-DISCUSSION@LISTS.NSRCA.ORG>> >>To: "<st1:PersonName w:st="on">NSRCA
Mailing List</st1:PersonName>" <br>
<NSRCA-DISCUSSION@LISTS.NSRCA.ORG>> >>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Electric/Glow Pros and C! ! ons < BR>> >>Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006
13:23:42 -0400 <br>
> >> <br>
> >>Dan Landis has about 300 flights on a set of Tanic 10s packs... <br>
> >> <br>
> >>scott anderson <br>
> >>Team Tanicpacks.com <br>
> >>Team Castle Creations <br>
> >>----- Original Message ----- <br>
> >>From: "Adam Glatt" <br>
<ADAM.G@SASKTEL.NET>> >>To: "<st1:PersonName w:st="on">NSRCA
Mailing List</st1:PersonName>" <br>
<NSRCA-DISCUSSION@LISTS.NSRCA.ORG>> >>Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006
1:23 PM <br>
> >>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Electric/Glow Pros and Cons <br>
> >> <br>
> >> <br>
> >> >I put 40-50 cycles on my packs last year and then sold them
last Fall <br>
> >> > for half of retail price. So make that $325 / 50flights =
$6.5/flight. <br>
> >> > Still very expensive - the cost of batteries must come down
for <br>
> >> > electric <br>
> >> > to be for everyone. <br>
> >&! gt;! ; > Adam Glatt <br>
> >> > Team Thunder Power <br>
> >> > <br>
> >> > vicenterc@comcast.net wrote: <br>
> >> >> 60 cycles _average _sounds correct base on the
information I got from <br>
> >> >> a well know pattern pilot. Therefore the approximate
cost is about <br>
> >> >> $10/flight. Glow engines are around $2-3/flight.
Definitively cost <br>
> >> >> is an important part of the decision process. <br>
> >> >> <br>
> >> >> Vicente "Vince" Bortone <br>
> >> >> <br>
> >> >> <br>
> >> >> -------------- Original message -------------- <br>
> >> >> From: "Richard Strickland" <br>
<RICHARD.S@ALLIED-CALLAWAY.COM>> >> >> <br>
> >> >> > Just how much did Jay PAY for those batts? And that
is part of <br>
> >> >> my point-for <br>
> >> >> > non sponsored! guys! -batter y care and feeding is
a real issue to <br>
> >> >> stretch cycle <br>
> >> >> > times. Even if he paid list, it's his job, in
effect. Most of us <br>
> >> >> are <br>
> >> >> > scrambling to find the best we can for the money
and then trying <br>
> >> >> to protect <br>
> >> >> > the investment. And many guys don't know there's
care <br>
> >> >> required-until the <br>
> >> >> > batteries shoot craps at 60 cycles. <br>
> >> >> > <br>
> >> >> > RS <br>
> >> >> > <br>
> >> >> > -----Original Message----- <br>
> >> >> > From: nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org <br>
> >> >> > [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]
On Behalf Of <br>
> >> >> Scott Smith <br>
> >> >> > Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 6:02 ! PM <br>
&! gt; > ;> >> > To: <st1:PersonName w:st="on">NSRCA Mailing
List</st1:PersonName> <br>
> >> >> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discu! ssion] Electric/Glow
Pros and Cons <br>
> >> >> > <br>
> >> >> > But why keep 'em cool? I saw Jason sitting in his
van with the <br>
> >> >> engine <br>
> >> >> > running at the Nat's on Thursday with his batteries
up on the <br>
> >> >> dash...I don't <br>
> >> >> > think he had the AC running! <br>
> >> >> > <br>
> >> >> > I too am on the fence and have decided to give E a
try for next <br>
> >> >> year as it <br>
> >> >> > will allow me to fly at local turf farms where glow
fuel is not <br>
> >> >> allowed. <br>
> >> >> > <br>
> >> >> > Anybody interested in a glow Brio? <br>
> >> >> > <br>
> >> >> > Scott <br>
> &g! t;> >> ! > <b R><span style='font-weight:bold'>>
>> >> > -----Original Message----- <br>
> >> >> > From: nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org <br>
> >> >> > [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]On
Behalf Of <br>
> >> >> Jay <br>
> >> >> > Marshall <br>
> >> >> > Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 6:40 PM <br>
> >> >> > To: '<st1:PersonName w:st="on">NSRCA Mailing List</st1:PersonName>'
<br>
> >> >> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Electric/Glow Pros
and Cons <br>
> >> >> > <br>
> >> >> > <br>
> >> >> > Sounds like a foam cooler and a bag of ice should
keep them <br>
> >> >> cool. <br>
> >> >> > <br>
> >> >> > -----Original Message----- <br>
> >> >> > From:! nsrca- discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org <br>
> >> >> > [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]
On Be! half Of <br>
> &g! t;> >> Richard <br>
> >> >> > Strickland <br>
> >> >> > Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 6:36 PM <br>
> >> >> > To: nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org <br>
> >> >> > Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Electric/Glow Pros and
Cons <br>
> >> >> > <br>
> >> >> > Just having a debate with myself on the pros and
cons for the <br>
> >> >> long haul..... <br>
> >> >> > Seems like it's been hovering around 95-100F around
here since <br>
> >> >> early June. <br>
> >> >> > I'm not liking the fairly significant batt. temp.
rise from <br>
> >> >> ambient. (batt. <br>
> >> >> > life issues) The batts have to sit in a fairly hot
car all <br>
> >> >> day-charged for <br>
> >> >> > practice in the evening. I have to make a decision
the nite b4 <br>
> &! gt;> >> to fly o! r <br>
& gt; >> >> > not the next day to charge. Batteries are
still damned expensive <br>
> >> >> even if <br>
> >> >> > you get a decent deal and the jury is still out on
longevity <br>
> >> >> Gotta grease <br>
> >> >> > things fairly often. Heavy. But they are cleaner
and easier to <br>
> >> >> manage at <br>
> >> >> > the field! . Glow engines, when driven to the
max-like I do-tend <br>
> >> >> to have <br>
> >> >> > their own share of issues, somewhat messy, and
require more <br>
> >> >> field equipment <br>
> >> >> > at the line. The bigger units require A LOT of fuel
to make all <br>
> >> >> that power. <br>
> >> >> > But I feel I can fly them no matter how hot it is
and not worry <br>
> >> >> about them <br>
> >> >> &g! t; (as much). Deciding to fly is! a matt er of
just GOING. <br>
> >> >> > <br>
> >> >> > I'm just throwing this out there in case anyone
else is having <br>
> >> >> similar <br>
> >> >> > thoughts... ho-hum... <br>
> >> >> > <br>
> >> >> > RS <br>
> >> >> > <br>
> >> >> > <br>
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