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<DIV>Thanks Dave,</DIV>
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<DIV>Keep the numbers and tell us when you need to discard each pack. Then the important information is the average of all 4 packs. </DIV>
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<DIV>I am waiting for this important information by the end of this summer.</DIV>
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<DIV>With best regards,</DIV>
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<DIV>Vicente "Vince" Bortone</DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Vicente,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><BR>Great analogy!<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">I understand your emphasis on average. I think the average right now is a bit skewed (to the low side) as much of the flying initially was done by guys towards the top of the heat who were testing packs, changing packs frequently (as new versions arrived on the scene), etc, and longevity is bound to suffer at the start of the learning curve.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">There is no doubt that running the lipos hot and discharging deeply will decrease the number of cycles. On my lipos I put a "tick" mark on a piece of tape on the lipo after every flight (swiped the idea from Jerry Budd). My four sets of TP5300s all perform equally at this time, and have 90, 83, 32, and 14 cycles on them. After an average PO7, my lipo temps are around 115F, which is substantially cooler than most guys were seeing at the NATs this year (and this is using 3500 - 3800 mah in a 9 minute flight takeoff roll to touchdown). I suspect a number of guys (myself included) will have some packs with well over 100 flights, and maybe close to 200 flights by the end of this summer.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">That is why underline AVERAGE. That is the number we need. This is like when we go to <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">las Vegas</st1:place></st1:City>. We are very open and willing to inform how much we WIN but we never tell how much we loose. Well is also similar to how much we spend in this hobby. I always tell my wife that is cheaper than bars and women but the real number is a secret.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Vicente "Vince" Bortone<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Closer to 220 accumulated from spring of 2005 to spring of 2006, at which time they were shifted to sport use. In any case, I'm not aware of many packs going 200+ flights for pattern use.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">-------------- Original message -------------- <BR>From: "Scott Anderson" <scott@rcfoamy.com> <BR><BR>> Joe, <BR>> your right but that was after hitting 300.. <BR>> anyhow food for thought.. <BR>> <BR>> s. <BR>> ----- Original Message ----- <BR>> From: "Joe Lachowski" <BR><JLACHOW@HOTMAIL.COM>> To: <BR><NSRCA-DISCUSSION@LISTS.NSRCA.ORG>> Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 1:27 PM <BR>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Electric/Glow Pros and Cons <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> > Yeah, but I believe that pack has been religated to sport use though. <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> >>From: "Scott Anderson" <BR><SCOTT@RCFOAMY.COM>> >>Reply-To: <st1:PersonName w:st="on">NSRCA Mailing List</st1:PersonName> <BR><NSRCA-DISCUSSION@LISTS.NSRCA.ORG>> >>To: "<st1:PersonName w:st="on">NSRCA Mailing List</st1:PersonName>" <BR><NSRCA-DISCUSSION@LISTS.NSR
CA.ORG>> >>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Electric/Glow Pros and C! ! ons < BR>> >>Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 13:23:42 -0400 <BR>> >> <BR>> >>Dan Landis has about 300 flights on a set of Tanic 10s packs... <BR>> >> <BR>> >>scott anderson <BR>> >>Team Tanicpacks.com <BR>> >>Team Castle Creations <BR>> >>----- Original Message ----- <BR>> >>From: "Adam Glatt" <BR><ADAM.G@SASKTEL.NET>> >>To: "<st1:PersonName w:st="on">NSRCA Mailing List</st1:PersonName>" <BR><NSRCA-DISCUSSION@LISTS.NSRCA.ORG>> >>Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 1:23 PM <BR>> >>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Electric/Glow Pros and Cons <BR>> >> <BR>> >> <BR>> >> >I put 40-50 cycles on my packs last year and then sold them last Fall <BR>> >> > for half of retail price. So make that $325 / 50flights = $6.5/flight. <BR>> >> > Still very expensive - th
e cost of batteries must come down for <BR>> >> > electric <BR>> >> > to be for everyone. <BR>> >&! gt;! ; > Adam Glatt <BR>> >> > Team Thunder Power <BR>> >> > <BR>> >> > vicenterc@comcast.net wrote: <BR>> >> >> 60 cycles _average _sounds correct base on the information I got from <BR>> >> >> a well know pattern pilot. Therefore the approximate cost is about <BR>> >> >> $10/flight. Glow engines are around $2-3/flight. Definitively cost <BR>> >> >> is an important part of the decision process. <BR>> >> >> <BR>> >> >> Vicente "Vince" Bortone <BR>> >> >> <BR>> >> >> <BR>> >> >> -------------- Original message -------------- <BR>> >> >> From: "Richard Strickland" <BR><RICHARD.S@ALLIED-CALLAWAY.COM>> >> >> <BR>> >> >> > Just how much
did Jay PAY for those batts? And that is part of <BR>> >> >> my point-for <BR>> >> >> > non sponsored! guys! -batter y care and feeding is a real issue to <BR>> >> >> stretch cycle <BR>> >> >> > times. Even if he paid list, it's his job, in effect. Most of us <BR>> >> >> are <BR>> >> >> > scrambling to find the best we can for the money and then trying <BR>> >> >> to protect <BR>> >> >> > the investment. And many guys don't know there's care <BR>> >> >> required-until the <BR>> >> >> > batteries shoot craps at 60 cycles. <BR>> >> >> > <BR>> >> >> > RS <BR>> >> >> > <BR>> >> >> > -----Original Message----- <BR>> >> >> > From: nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org <BR>> >> >> > [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@li
sts.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of <BR>> >> >> Scott Smith <BR>> >> >> > Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 6:02 ! PM <BR>&! gt; > ;> >> > To: <st1:PersonName w:st="on">NSRCA Mailing List</st1:PersonName> <BR>> >> >> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discu! ssion] Electric/Glow Pros and Cons <BR>> >> >> > <BR>> >> >> > But why keep 'em cool? I saw Jason sitting in his van with the <BR>> >> >> engine <BR>> >> >> > running at the Nat's on Thursday with his batteries up on the <BR>> >> >> dash...I don't <BR>> >> >> > think he had the AC running! <BR>> >> >> > <BR>> >> >> > I too am on the fence and have decided to give E a try for next <BR>> >> >> year as it <BR>> >> >> > will allow me to fly at local turf farms where glow fuel is not <BR>> >> >> allowed.
<BR>> >> >> > <BR>> >> >> > Anybody interested in a glow Brio? <BR>> >> >> > <BR>> >> >> > Scott <BR>> &g! t;> >> ! > <B R><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">> >> >> > -----Original Message----- <BR>> >> >> > From: nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org <BR>> >> >> > [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]On Behalf Of <BR>> >> >> Jay <BR>> >> >> > Marshall <BR>> >> >> > Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 6:40 PM <BR>> >> >> > To: '<st1:PersonName w:st="on">NSRCA Mailing List</st1:PersonName>' <BR>> >> >> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Electric/Glow Pros and Cons <BR>> >> >> > <BR>> >> >> > <BR>> >> >> > Sounds like a foam cooler and a bag of ice should keep them <BR>> >> >> cool
. <BR>> >> >> > <BR>> >> >> > -----Original Message----- <BR>> >> >> > From:! nsrca- discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org <BR>> >> >> > [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] On Be! half Of <BR>> &g! t;> >> Richard <BR>> >> >> > Strickland <BR>> >> >> > Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 6:36 PM <BR>> >> >> > To: nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org <BR>> >> >> > Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Electric/Glow Pros and Cons <BR>> >> >> > <BR>> >> >> > Just having a debate with myself on the pros and cons for the <BR>> >> >> long haul..... <BR>> >> >> > Seems like it's been hovering around 95-100F around here since <BR>> >> >> early June. <BR>> >> >> > I'm not liking the fairly significant batt. temp. rise from <BR>> >> &
gt;> ambient. (batt. <BR>> >> >> > life issues) The batts have to sit in a fairly hot car all <BR>> >> >> day-charged for <BR>> >> >> > practice in the evening. I have to make a decision the nite b4 <BR>> &! gt;> >> to fly o! r <BR>& gt; >> >> > not the next day to charge. Batteries are still damned expensive <BR>> >> >> even if <BR>> >> >> > you get a decent deal and the jury is still out on longevity <BR>> >> >> Gotta grease <BR>> >> >> > things fairly often. Heavy. But they are cleaner and easier to <BR>> >> >> manage at <BR>> >> >> > the field! . Glow engines, when driven to the max-like I do-tend <BR>> >> >> to have <BR>> >> >> > their own share of issues, somewhat messy, and require more <BR>> >> >> field equipment <BR>> >> >> &g
t; at the line. The bigger units require A LOT of fuel to make all <BR>> >> >> that power. <BR>> >> >> > But I feel I can fly them no matter how hot it is and not worry <BR>> >> >> about them <BR>> >> >> &g! t; (as much). Deciding to fly is! a matt er of just GOING. <BR>> >> >> > <BR>> >> >> > I'm just throwing this out there in case anyone else is having <BR>> >> >> similar <BR>> >> >> > thoughts... ho-hum... <BR>> >> >> > <BR>> >> >> > RS <BR>> >> >> > <BR>> >> >> > <BR>> >> >> > _______________________________________________ <BR>> >> >> > NSRCA-discussion mailing list <BR>> >> >> > NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org <BR>> >> >> > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion <BR>> >> &
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