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<DIV>That is correct. As we know, mother ground after the snap at the 45 degree down line is getting closer at around 60+ mph. It is not good feeling and time past very fast in that particular situation. I wish that the plane was flying level. </DIV>
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<DIV>I checked last night and the fail safe is programmed to go all neutral in all surfaces and give a little up elevator. After I lost control, I noticed that the plane that was almost inverted increased the angle as was approaching to the ground. Therefore, I am almost 100% sure that the fail-safe took over. The theory that something happen to the TX has to be consider now. Jon Lowe suggested to check the transmitter battery door. I noticed that the door lash in mine is very weak. Now, I am wondering if the power to the transmitter got disconnected for few seconds and caused the crash. Actually, I was helping a friend to set up his JR 10X few days before and the power to the TX went suddenly off. The problem was that the battery moved down and got disconnected. Checking last night, I found that requires just a fraction of an inch to get disconnected. I
am going to follow Jon advise. I am going to secure the battery cassette and make sure that the door stays closed. </DIV>
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<DIV>Vicente "Vince" Bortone</DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN class=EmailStyle19><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt"><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>I think he said he didn’t have time to try throttle and rudder—engine at idle.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Tahoma color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">-----Original Message-----<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]<B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Fred Huber<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Monday, August 07, 2006 6:55 PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lost Abbra</SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black">But... he still didn't have throttle response, so... there had to be some form of control loss. A stall MIGHT explain the rest, but I kind of doubt that was it.</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black">BTW... I have the SAD emblem stickers on my plane. </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<DIV DEFANGED_STYLE="FONT: 10pt arial">Sent:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"> Monday, August 07, 2006 5:49 PM</DIV></SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT>
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<DIV DEFANGED_STYLE="FONT: 10pt arial">Subject:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lost Abbra</DIV></SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; BACKGROUND: white; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 39.75pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 4.0pt; mso-shading: transparent" DEFANGED_STYLE="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><SPAN class=emailstyle15><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">I suppose that if the airplane were over rotated by 90 degrees and at least still in a semi-stalled condition in knife-edge, the controls would potentially be slow to respond.<SPAN DEFANGED_STYLE="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>In a right hand snap, the right wing would be stalled and if it were pointed toward the ground-still stalled--and the fuse was washing out the left-upper-un-stalled--panel
, then that would account for the non-responsiveness of the ailerons.<SPAN DEFANGED_STYLE="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Aircraft can still be stalled at high speeds and depending on the timing and amount of input-maybe exaggerated with high rates with big expo, a secondary stall/spin can take place making you wonder 'how did THAT happen?!'.<SPAN DEFANGED_STYLE="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Not all that unlikely a circumstance with as slippery as these critters are....<SPAN DEFANGED_STYLE="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>And you might have just had some really lousy luck with wind shear at that precise moment.<SPAN DEFANGED_STYLE="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>I am a Charter Member of SAD.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P>
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FANGED_STYLE="FONT-WEIGHT: bold"><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></SPAN></B> nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<BR><B><SPAN DEFANGED_STYLE="FONT-WEIGHT: bold"><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></SPAN></B> [NSRCA-discussion] Lost Abbra</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<DIV style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 4pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; BORDER-LEFT: black 1.5pt solid; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none">
<P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 75.75pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=black size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black">Yes, yesterday afternoon I lost my Abbra. I was doing the 45 degree down with snap. After the snap, I could not control the plane. This is my recollection of events:</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 75.75pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 4.0pt" DEFANGED_STYLE="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=black size=3><SPAN DEFANGED_STYLE="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black">1. I over rotated the snap for a kittle more than 90 degrees. It was clear to me at that early stage that something was going wrong. I snapped to the right. </SPAN></SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 75.75pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 4.0pt" DEFANGED_STYLE="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=black size=3><SPAN DEFANGED_STYLE="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black">2. My friend Charlie was calling for me. He also noticed and said something to put it back in position. I told him that the plane was not responding. </SPAN></SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 75.75pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 4.0pt" DEFANGED_STYLE="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=black size=3><SPAN DEFANGED_STYLE="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black">3. First reaction was to give full left to get it back upright. The ailerons did not respond. When I realized that, I tried to take it out of the dive by given down elevator since was pracically in inverted position. It did not respond. It that aptitude everything goes very fast. Finally, I tried to give up elevator but was already too late. I am aware that I applied these control input. <SPAN DEFANGED_STYLE="ms
o-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>It was clear to me that there was no reaction. <SPAN DEFANGED_STYLE="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>I was able to realize that I didn't have control and I could not avoid the crash. </SPAN></SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 75.75pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 4.0pt" DEFANGED_STYLE="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=black size=3><SPAN DEFANGED_STYLE="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black">4. I did not have time to do anything with rudder and throttle. Throttle was at idle. </SPAN></SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 75.75pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 4.0pt" DEFANGED_STYLE="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=black size=3><SPAN DEFANGED_STYLE="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black">6. I took the plane home as it came from the crash.<SPAN DEFANGED_STYLE="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>I disconnected only the ailerons servos. <SPAN DEFANGED_STYLE="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>I checked the radio and everything is working fine. Only two servos are not working. The throttle servo that was practically destroyed in the crash and one aileron servo that the gears were stripped.<SPAN DEFANGED_STYLE=
"mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>I believe that this was caused by the force of the impact. <SPAN DEFANGED_STYLE="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>There was not evidence of flutter in the ailerons before the crash or structural damage after coming out of the snap.</SPAN></SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 75.75pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 4.0pt" DEFANGED_STYLE="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=black size=3><SPAN DEFANGED_STYLE="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black">7.<SPAN DEFANGED_STYLE="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>I believe that the plane was well over stall speed after the snap. <SPAN DEFANGED_STYLE="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Therefore, the plane was not in stalled condition.<SPAN DEFANGED_STYLE="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>However, I could be wrong.</SPAN></SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 75.75pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 4.0pt" DEFANGED_STYLE="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=black size=3><SPAN DEFANGED_STYLE="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black">7. I use JR all around with digital servos. PCM receiver with fail safe programmed to cut engine and leave the servos in the last commanded position. </SPAN></SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 75.75pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 4.0pt" DEFANGED_STYLE="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=black size=3><SPAN DEFANGED_STYLE="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black">9. It was very hot day. The plane was sitting in the sun and it was second fly of the day around 2:00 PM. Easily was close to 100 oF. </SPAN></SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 75.75pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 4.0pt" DEFANGED_STYLE="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=black size=3><SPAN DEFANGED_STYLE="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black">At this point, I have to admit that has to be pilot error since I have not been able to find a definitive cause of the crash. It is clear that the snap initiated some kind of failure. Other pilots think that the NiMh battery gave up at high currents during the snap and caused the crash. I have been flying this type of battery for two years now with no problems. </SPAN></SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black
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<P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 75.75pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 4.0pt" DEFANGED_STYLE="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=black size=3><SPAN DEFANGED_STYLE="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black">I am informing this to the group since I would like to have your feedback. <SPAN DEFANGED_STYLE="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>If someone had a similar problem and found the cause of the crash, please let me know. I am going back to my backup plane (the old hydeout). I have a brand new Abbra so need to put it together. </SPAN></SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p><
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