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<DIV><SPAN class=159281218-08082006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Agricultural ... nice euphemism!</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<P><FONT face="Times New Roman">Dean Pappas</FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Times New Roman">Sr. Design Engineer</FONT> <BR><FONT
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size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>
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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]<B>On Behalf Of </B>Grow
Pattern<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, August 08, 2006 1:02 PM<BR><B>To:</B> NSRCA
Mailing List<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lost
Abbra<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Vicente,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT
face=Arial>
I do that and more with all of my 10X's. (It only happens on the 10X). You
most likely shake the TX when you do a snap?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Also on the bottom edge of the battery flap there is a
"bump" that lets you flick it open. I cut/grind this bump off because it hits
the surface first when you are using a flip-type TX stand. This opens the
battery cover on a regular basis.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>I had mine go on and off during flight a couple of
times. The good news is that it beeped when it came back on again so, for
once, I had a diagnostic clue. Also the JR fires up immediately so I did not
stay in fail safe.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>I normally use clear packing tape to "lock" the flap in
place. A bit agricultural but it has never auto-off'd since...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Regards,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><BR>Eric.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
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<A title=vicenterc@comcast.net
href="mailto:vicenterc@comcast.net">vicenterc@comcast.net</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA Mailing List</A> ; <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, August 08, 2006 11:51
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lost
Abbra</DIV>
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<DIV>That is correct. As we know, mother ground after the snap at
the 45 degree down line is getting closer at around 60+ mph. It
is not good feeling and time past very fast in that particular
situation. I wish that the plane was flying level. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I checked last night and the fail safe is programmed to go all neutral
in all surfaces and give a little up elevator. After I lost control, I
noticed that the plane that was almost inverted increased the angle as
was approaching to the ground. Therefore, I am almost 100% sure
that the fail-safe took over. The theory that something happen to
the TX has to be consider now. Jon Lowe suggested to check the
transmitter battery door. I noticed that the door lash in
mine is very weak. Now, I am wondering if the power to the transmitter
got disconnected for few seconds and caused the crash.
Actually, I was helping a friend to set up his JR 10X few days
before and the power to the TX went suddenly off. The problem was
that the battery moved down and got disconnected. Checking last
night, I found that requires just a fraction of an inch to get
disconnected. ! I am going to follow Jon advise. I am going
to secure the battery cassette and make sure that the door stays
closed. </DIV>
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<DIV>Vicente "Vince" Bortone</DIV>
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</SPAN>I think he said he didn't have time to try throttle and
rudder-engine at idle.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Tahoma
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">-----Original
Message-----<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B>
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]<B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Fred Huber<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Monday, August 07, 2006 6:55
PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B>
nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lost
Abbra</SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman"
color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black">But... he
still didn't have throttle response, so... there had to be some form of
control loss. A stall MIGHT explain the rest, but I kind of doubt
that was it.</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman"
color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black">BTW... I
have the SAD emblem stickers on my plane. </SPAN></FONT><FONT
color=black><SPAN
style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black">Aircraftus
Fragmentum</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
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<DIV DEFANGED_STYLE="FONT: 10pt arial">Sent:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
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Abbra</DIV></SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">I
suppose that if the airplane were over rotated by 90 degrees and at least
still in a semi-stalled condition in knife-edge, the controls would
potentially be slow to respond.<SPAN
DEFANGED_STYLE="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>In a right hand snap, the
right wing would be stalled and if it were pointed toward the ground-still
stalled--and the fuse was washing out the left-upper-un-stalled! --panel ,
then that would account for the non-responsiveness of the ailerons.<SPAN
DEFANGED_STYLE="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Aircraft can still be
stalled at high speeds and depending on the timing and amount of
input-maybe exaggerated with high rates with big expo, a secondary
stall/spin can take place making you wonder 'how did THAT happen?!'.<SPAN
DEFANGED_STYLE="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Not all that unlikely a
circumstance with as slippery as these critters are....<SPAN
DEFANGED_STYLE="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>And you might
have just had some really lousy luck with wind shear at that precise
moment.<SPAN DEFANGED_STYLE="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>I am a
Charter Member of SAD.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P>
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</SPAN></B>vicenterc@comcast.net<BR><B><SPAN
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DEFANGED_STYLE="FONT-WEIGHT: bold"><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></SPAN></B> [NSRCA-discussion]
Lost Abbra</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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color=black size=3><SPAN DEFANGED_STYLE="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><SPAN
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color=black><SPAN
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<DIV
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face="Times New Roman" color=black size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black">Yes, yesterday afternoon I
lost my Abbra. I was doing the 45 degree down with snap.
After the snap, I could not control the plane. This is my
recollection of events:</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black"> </SPAN></SPAN></FONT><FONT
color=black><SPAN
style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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DEFANGED_STYLE="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black">1. I over rotated the snap
for a kittle more than 90 degrees. It was clear to me at that
early stage that something was going wrong. I snapped to the
right. </SPAN></SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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DEFANGED_STYLE="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black">2. My friend Charlie was calling for
me. He also noticed and said something to put it back in
position. I told him that the plane was not responding.
</SPAN></SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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DEFANGED_STYLE="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black">3. First reaction was to give full
left to get it back upright. The ailerons did not respond.
When I realized that, I tried to take it out of the dive by given down
elevator since was pracically in inverted position. It did not
respond. It that aptitude everything goes very fast. Finally,
I tried to give up elevator but was already too late. I am aware
that I applied these control input. <SPAN DEFANGED_ST!
YLE="ms o-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>It was clear to me that
there was no reaction. <SPAN
DEFANGED_STYLE="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>I was able to
realize that I didn't have control and I could not avoid the crash.
</SPAN></SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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DEFANGED_STYLE="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black">4. I did not have time to do
anything with rudder and throttle. Throttle was at idle.
</SPAN></SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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DEFANGED_STYLE="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black">5. When we checked the crash site.
One aileron servo was buzzing hard. I disconnected the servo.
Therefore, my first impression that the battery flew off and it got
disconnected with the force of the snap was not
valid.</SPAN></SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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DEFANGED_STYLE="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black">6. I took the plane home as it came
from the crash.<SPAN DEFANGED_STYLE="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>I disconnected only the ailerons servos. <SPAN
DEFANGED_STYLE="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>I checked the
radio and everything is working fine. Only two servos are not
working. The throttle servo that was practically destroyed in the
crash and one aileron servo that the gears were stripped.<SPAN DEFANGED!
_STYLE="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>I believe that this was
caused by the force of the impact. <SPAN
DEFANGED_STYLE="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>There was not evidence of
flutter in the ailerons before the crash or structural damage after coming
out of the snap.</SPAN></SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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DEFANGED_STYLE="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black">7.<SPAN
DEFANGED_STYLE="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>I believe that the plane
was well over stall speed after the snap. <SPAN
DEFANGED_STYLE="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Therefore, the plane was
not in stalled condition.<SPAN DEFANGED_STYLE="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>However, I could be wrong.</SPAN></SPAN></FONT><FONT
color=black><SPAN
style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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DEFANGED_STYLE="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black">7. I use JR all around with
digital servos. PCM receiver with fail safe programmed to cut engine
and leave the servos in the last commanded position.
</SPAN></SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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DEFANGED_STYLE="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black">8. I use 2300 mah NiMh battery (4
cells AA Sanyo). I checked the battery voltage and was at 5.15 volts
after the crash. Discharged the battery and gave 1540 mah using
250mah rate. I am planning to cycle the battery with higher
loads. </SPAN></SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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DEFANGED_STYLE="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black">9. It was very hot day. The
plane was sitting in the sun and it was second fly of the day around 2:00
PM. Easily was close to 100 oF. </SPAN></SPAN></FONT><FONT
color=black><SPAN
style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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DEFANGED_STYLE="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black"> </SPAN></SPAN></FONT><FONT
color=black><SPAN
style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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DEFANGED_STYLE="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black">At this point, I have to admit that
has to be pilot error since I have not been able to find a definitive
cause of the crash. It is clear that the snap initiated some kind of
failure. Other pilots think that the NiMh battery gave up at high
currents during the snap and caused the crash. I have been flying
this type of battery for two years now with no
problems. </SPAN></SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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color=black size=3><SPAN
DEFANGED_STYLE="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black">I am informing this to the group
since I would like to have your feedback. <SPAN
DEFANGED_STYLE="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>If someone had a similar
problem and found the cause of the crash, please let me know. I am
going back to my backup plane (the old hydeout). I have a brand new
Abbra so need to put it together.
</SPAN></SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext" !><o:p><
/o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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DEFANGED_STYLE="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black">Thanks and have a nice
day,</SPAN></SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
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DEFANGED_STYLE="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black">Vicente
Bortone</SPAN></SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
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