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<DIV><FONT size=2>But... he still didn't have throttle response, so... there had
to be some form of control loss. A stall MIGHT explain the rest, but I
kind of doubt that was it.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>BTW... I have the SAD emblem stickers on my plane.
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Aircraftus Fragmentum</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=richard.s@allied-callaway.com
href="mailto:richard.s@allied-callaway.com">Richard Strickland</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">'NSRCA Mailing List'</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, August 07, 2006 5:49
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lost
Abbra</DIV>
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DEFANGED_STYLE="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN class=EmailStyle15><FONT face=Arial
color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">I
suppose that if the airplane were over rotated by 90 degrees and at least
still in a semi-stalled condition in knife-edge, the controls would
potentially be slow to respond.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>In a right hand snap, the right wing would be stalled and if it were
pointed toward the ground—still stalled--and the fuse was washing out the
left—upper—un-stalled--panel, then that would account for the
non-responsiveness of the ailerons.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>Aircraft can still be stalled at high speeds and depending on the
timing and amount of input—maybe exaggerated with high rates with big expo, a
secondary stall/spin can take place making you wonder ‘how did THAT
happen?!’.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Not all that unlikely
a circumstance with as slippery as these critters are….<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>And you might have just had some
really lousy luck with wind shear at that precise moment.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>I am a Charter Member of
SAD.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P>
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size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">-----Original
Message-----<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B>
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]<B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of
</SPAN></B>vicenterc@comcast.net<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Sunday, August 06, 2006 6:52
PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B>
nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> [NSRCA-discussion] Lost
Abbra</SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><![if !supportEmptyParas]><![endif]> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
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face="Times New Roman" color=black size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black">Yes, yesterday afternoon I lost my
Abbra. I was doing the 45 degree down with snap. After the snap, I
could not control the plane. This is my recollection of
events:</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT
color=black><SPAN
style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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DEFANGED_STYLE="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=black
size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black">1. I over rotated the snap
for a kittle more than 90 degrees. It was clear to me at that early
stage that something was going wrong. I snapped to the right.
</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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DEFANGED_STYLE="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=black
size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black">2. My friend Charlie was
calling for me. He also noticed and said something to put it back
in position. I told him that the plane was not responding.
</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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DEFANGED_STYLE="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=black
size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black">3. First reaction was to
give full left to get it back upright. The ailerons did not
respond. When I realized that, I tried to take it out of the dive by
given down elevator since was pracically in inverted position. It did
not respond. It that aptitude everything goes very fast. Finally,
I tried to give up elevator but was already too late. I am aware that I
applied these control input. <SPAN
DEFANGED_STYLE="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>It was clear to me that there
was no reaction. <SPAN
DEFANGED_STYLE="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>I was able to realize
that I didn't have control and I could not avoid the crash.
</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
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DEFANGED_STYLE="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=black
size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black">4. I did not have time to
do anything with rudder and throttle. Throttle was at idle.
</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
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DEFANGED_STYLE="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=black
size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black">5. When we checked the
crash site. One aileron servo was buzzing hard. I disconnected the
servo. Therefore, my first impression that the battery flew off and it
got disconnected with the force of the snap was not valid.</SPAN></FONT><FONT
color=black><SPAN
style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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DEFANGED_STYLE="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=black
size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black">6. I took the plane home as
it came from the crash.<SPAN
DEFANGED_STYLE="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>I disconnected only
the ailerons servos. <SPAN
DEFANGED_STYLE="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>I checked the radio
and everything is working fine. Only two servos are not working.
The throttle servo that was practically destroyed in the crash and one aileron
servo that the gears were stripped.<SPAN
DEFANGED_STYLE="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>I believe that this was
caused by the force of the impact. <SPAN
DEFANGED_STYLE="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>There was not evidence of
flutter in the ailerons before the crash or structural damage after coming out
of the snap.</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
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DEFANGED_STYLE="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=black
size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black">7.<SPAN
DEFANGED_STYLE="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>I believe that the plane was
well over stall speed after the snap. <SPAN
DEFANGED_STYLE="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Therefore, the plane was not
in stalled condition.<SPAN DEFANGED_STYLE="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>However, I could be wrong.</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
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DEFANGED_STYLE="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=black
size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black">7. I use JR all around
with digital servos. PCM receiver with fail safe programmed to cut
engine and leave the servos in the last commanded position.
</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
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DEFANGED_STYLE="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=black
size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black">8. I use 2300 mah NiMh
battery (4 cells AA Sanyo). I checked the battery voltage and was at
5.15 volts after the crash. Discharged the battery and gave 1540 mah
using 250mah rate. I am planning to cycle the battery with higher
loads. </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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DEFANGED_STYLE="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=black
size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black">9. It was very hot
day. The plane was sitting in the sun and it was second fly of the day
around 2:00 PM. Easily was close to 100 oF. </SPAN></FONT><FONT
color=black><SPAN
style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT
color=black><SPAN
style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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DEFANGED_STYLE="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=black
size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black">At this point, I have to
admit that has to be pilot error since I have not been able to find a
definitive cause of the crash. It is clear that the snap initiated some
kind of failure. Other pilots think that the NiMh battery gave up at
high currents during the snap and caused the crash. I have been flying
this type of battery for two years now with no
problems. </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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DEFANGED_STYLE="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=black
size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black">I am informing this to the
group since I would like to have your feedback. <SPAN
DEFANGED_STYLE="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>If someone had a similar
problem and found the cause of the crash, please let me know. I am going
back to my backup plane (the old hydeout). I have a brand new
Abbra so need to put it together. </SPAN></FONT><FONT
color=black><SPAN
style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black">Thanks and have a nice
day,</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black">Vicente
Bortone</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
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