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<DIV>I move the servos using the JR test feature. It move the servos very slowly. I will try to do it manually. </DIV>
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<DIV>I never had RFI problems with that radio in any field. I am not 100% sure now that someone turned a radio on in my frequency. The fact that I lost control exactly after the snap is a concern. I think is difficult that a radio in the same frequency was turned on exactly when I did the snap roll.</DIV>
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<DIV>Vicente "Vince" Bortone</DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">To check for bad spots it is necessary to move each servo SLOWLY, one at a time and watch for the others to glitch. Moving them rapidly will run right past a bad spot and you won’t see it.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Could the root cause been RFI?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">-----Original Message-----<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>vicenterc@comcast.net<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Monday, August 07, 2006 11:57 AM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> NSRCA Mailing List; NSRCA Mailing List<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lost Abbra</SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">I did it. I tested the system after discharging the battery. I plugged all servos but the throttle servo that was destroy in the crash. Everything was working fine. I used the test feature of the JR 10X to keep the servos moving. I didn't get any smoke because the stalled servo has the gears stalled but the motor is running freely. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">I got a question. It was very hot here in Kansas last Saturday. A fellow club member told me that NiMh batteries are susceptible to Kansas heat. It was over 100oF and inside the plane could have been 140oF. Any experience seeing NiMh failing in these conditions.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">A stalled or locked up servo could pull the voltage down and essentially turn off the radio but it would seem to me that it would take some time and the other servos would at least start back to neutral after the snap inputs are removed. He could try plugging in the jammed servo and see what happens but be ready to unplug it before it starts smoking.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Sent:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> Sunday, August 06, 2006 8:01 PM<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">On Aug 6, 2006, at 9:50 PM, <A href="mailto:vicenterc@comcast.net">vicenterc@comcast.net</A> wrote:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">The battery was a little over a year old. I cycled the battery after the crash and got around 1540 mah. It was freshly charged and I was in the second fly. I use around 200 mah per fly so the battery was close to 2000 mah. I always charge at C/10 and never fast charged. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">I am discharging the battery now at 500 mah. I discharged the first time at 250 mah. I will keep increasing the discharge rate to check if I find something wrong. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">I am willing to bet that you will find a bad servo. Maybe Jim Oddino or one of the other radio wizards can explain, but a single servo can cause the whole system to crash.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Usually I called pilot (and/or mechanic) error until I find the cause of the crash. I haven't been in this position in a very long time. I tend to agree with you since it was clear that I didn't have control. However, the radio is working even after such a crash. There was a comment at the field that NiMh batteries can cause this problem. I will check the battery as much as possible (cycle increasing the current draws) but not sure if the test will be valid.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">I am wrong below in regard the fail safe in regard the fail safe. The fail safe is programmed to cut the engine and set the control surfaces at neutral. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Yes, yesterday afternoon I lost my Abbra. I was doing the 45 degree down with snap. After the snap, I could not control the plane. This is my recollection of events:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV><O:P></O:P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">1. I over rotated the snap for a kittle more than 90 degrees. It was clear to me at that early stage that something was going wrong. I snapped to the right. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P><O:P></O:P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">2. My friend Charlie was calling for me. He also noticed and said something to put it back in position. I told him that the plane was not responding. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P><O:P></O:P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">3. First reaction was to give full left to get it back upright. The ailerons did not respond. When I realized that, I tried to take it out of the dive by given down elevator since was pracically in inverted position. It did not respond. It that aptitude everything goes very fast. Finally, I tried to give up elevator but was already too late. I am aware that I applied these control input.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>It was clear to me that there was no reaction.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>I was able to realize that I didn't have control and I could not avoid the crash. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P><O:P></O:P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">4. I did not have time to do anything with rudder and throttle. Throttle was at idle. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P><O:P></O:P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">5. When we checked the crash site. One aileron servo was buzzing hard. I disconnected the servo. Therefore, my first impression that the battery flew off and it got disconnected with the force of the snap was not valid.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P><O:P></O:P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">6. I took the plane home as it came from the crash.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>I disconnected only the ailerons servos.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>I checked the radio and everything is working fine. Only two servos are not working. The throttle servo that was practically destroyed in the crash and one aileron servo that the gears were stripped.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>I believe that this was caused by the force of the impact.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>There was not evidence of flutter in the ailerons before the crash or structural damage after coming out of the snap.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">7.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>I believe that the plane was well over stall speed after the snap.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Therefore, the plane was not in stalled condition.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>However, I could be wrong.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P><O:P></O:P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">7. I use JR all around with digital servos. PCM receiver with fail safe programmed to cut engine and leave the servos in the last commanded position. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P><O:P></O:P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">8. I use 2300 mah NiMh battery (4 cells AA Sanyo). I checked the battery voltage and was at 5.15 volts after the crash. Discharged the battery and gave 1540 mah using 250mah rate. I am planning to cycle the battery with higher loads. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P><O:P></O:P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">9. It was very hot day. The plane was sitting in the sun and it was second fly of the day around 2:00 PM. Easily was close to 100 oF. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P><O:P></O:P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">At this point, I have to admit that has to be pilot error since I have not been able to find a definitive cause of the crash. It is clear that the snap initiated some kind of failure. Other pilots think that the NiMh battery gave up at high currents during the snap and caused the crash. I have been flying this type of battery for two years now with no problems. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P><O:P></O:P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">I am informing this to the group since I would like to have your feedback.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>If someone had a similar problem and found the cause of the crash, please let me know. I am going back to my backup plane (the old hydeout). I have a brand new Abbra so need to put it together. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P><O:P></O:P></DIV>
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