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Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Xmitr Tray
Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 15:49:13 -0400
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I've used the LAW Racing tray (Same as the Dubro one but with out the side
panels) for 15 years now. I'd gotten so used to wrapping my hands around the
transmitter I found the thickness of the tray bothersome. So what I did was
to add 4 smooth headed bolts to the tray that stood the transmitter up off
the tray enough to get my hands around it like I wasn't using a tray at all.
Over time I graduated from thumb flying to two finger flying. When I play I
don't use the tray, when I practice or at a contest I use it. I never cared
for the neck straps around my neck.

 
Tim 

 
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From: nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Rick Wallace
Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 2:58 PM
To: nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Xmitr Tray

 
Ron and I use the same tray - an all-wood tray just larger than the
transmitter - backboard clamps onto the transmitter top handle;
adjustable-height  wooden 'paddles' on either side of the TX for hand rests.
Hangs on a cloth strap around the pilot's neck - Weighs 2-4 ounces or
something. Picture to follow this evening. 

I've used this tray for about 6 years and don't like anything else for
precision flying, but it did take a couple of flights to get used to. 

That said, some other things to help with el/ail stick control- after all,
it's about changing a learned behavior at this point, regardless of tray,
strap or freehand. 
1. Make the aileron spring tension higher than the eleve stick tension- most
tx's have adjustable tension -may have to pull the tx backplate to get to
them. (actually, make the ail tension as high as it'll go and the elev
tension higher than stock. Tony Stillman / Radio South has stiff tx stick
springs that work really well.) 
2. Whether using a strap or a tray, try flying w/ thumb and forefinger
holding the stick tip, NOT with the thumb on top of the stick. This takes
practice too. 
3. flying drill: From straight and level flight, pull a big loop using only
your forefinger - just pulling straight back on the stick. Then after that
works well, add the thumb following the forefinger pull. Then work on
controlling the plane throughout the flight w/ thumb and forefinger. 

and yes, a tray will probably help with all of the above. 

My $.02 - Rick  


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From: ronlock@comcast.net
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Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Xmitr Tray
Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2006 17:46:47 +0000

I find that a tray tends to stabilize my hand to transmitter &quot;interface&quot; and

probably contributes to more accurate inputs.   My tray provides a small 

pad where the heels of my hands rest, and a neck strap attached to each

side of the tray.

 
Maybe Rick Wallace has a diagram of it?

 
Later, Ron Lockhart

 
-------------- Original message -------------- 
From: &quot;Jay Marshall&quot; &lt;lightfoot@sc.rr.com&gt; 

&gt; 
&gt; I find that I have a dumb thumb problem with cross-coupling X-Y axis on
the 
&gt; Al-El stick on the transmitter and was thinking that a xmitr tray might 
&gt; help. Any thoughts on this and recommendations on which to use? 
&gt; 
&gt; Jay Marshall 
&gt; 

 
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From: &quot;Jay Marshall&quot; &lt;lightfoot@sc.rr.com&gt;
To: &quot;NSRCA&quot; &lt;NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org&gt;
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Xmitr Tray
Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 16:19:36 +0000
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(Same
as the Dubro one but with out the side panels) for 15 years now. =
I&amp;#8217;d
gotten so used to wrapping my hands around the transmitter I found the
thickness of the tray bothersome. So what I did was to add 4 smooth =
headed
bolts to the tray that stood the transmitter up off the tray enough to =
get my
hands around it like I wasn&amp;#8217;t using a tray at all. Over time I =
graduated
from thumb flying to two finger flying. When I play I don&amp;#8217;t use =
the tray,
when I practice or at a contest I use it. I never cared for the neck =
straps
around my neck.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] &lt;b&gt;&lt;span =
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2:58 PM&lt;br&gt;
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nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org&lt;br&gt;
&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style=3D'font-weight:bold'&gt;Subject:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt; Re: =
[NSRCA-discussion]
Xmitr Tray&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

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&lt;p&gt;&lt;font size=3D3 face=3D&quot;Times New Roman&quot;&gt;&lt;span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'&gt;Ron and I
use the same tray - an all-wood tray just larger than the transmitter -
backboard clamps onto the transmitter top handle; adjustable-height
&amp;nbsp;wooden 'paddles' on either side of the TX for hand rests. Hangs on =
a
cloth strap around the pilot's neck - Weighs 2-4 ounces or something. =
Picture
to follow this evening. &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;font size=3D3 face=3D&quot;Times New Roman&quot;&gt;&lt;span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'&gt;I've used
this tray for about 6 years and don't like anything else for precision =
flying,
but it did take a couple of flights to get used to. =
&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;font size=3D3 face=3D&quot;Times New Roman&quot;&gt;&lt;span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'&gt;That
said, some other things to help with el/ail stick control- after all, =
it's
about changing a learned behavior at this point, regardless of tray, =
strap or
freehand. &lt;br&gt;
1. Make the aileron spring tension higher than the eleve stick tension- =
most
tx's have adjustable tension -may have to pull the tx backplate to get =
to them.
(actually, make the ail tension as high as it'll go and the elev tension =
higher
than stock. Tony Stillman / Radio South has stiff tx stick springs that =
work
really well.) &lt;br&gt;
2. Whether using a strap or a tray, try flying w/ thumb and forefinger =
holding
the stick tip, NOT with the thumb on top of the stick. This takes =
practice too.
&lt;br&gt;
3. flying drill: From straight and level flight, pull a big loop using =
only
your forefinger - just pulling straight back on the stick. Then after =
that
works well, add the thumb following the forefinger pull. Then work on
controlling the plane&amp;nbsp;throughout the flight w/ thumb and =
forefinger. &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;font size=3D3 face=3D&quot;Times New Roman&quot;&gt;&lt;span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'&gt;and yes,
a tray will probably help with all of the above. =
&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;font size=3D3 face=3D&quot;Times New Roman&quot;&gt;&lt;span =
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Rick &amp;nbsp;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

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italic'&gt;ronlock@comcast.net&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br&gt;
Reply-To: &lt;st1:PersonName w:st=3D&quot;on&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;span =
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Subject: &lt;i&gt;&lt;span style=3D'font-style:italic'&gt;Re: [NSRCA-discussion] =
Xmitr Tray&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br&gt;
Date: &lt;i&gt;&lt;span style=3D'font-style:italic'&gt;Thu, 03 Aug 2006 17:46:47 =
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&lt;p class=3DMsoNormal&gt;&lt;font size=3D1 face=3DTahoma&gt;&lt;span =
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font-family:Tahoma'&gt;I find that a tray tends to stabilize my hand to
transmitter &amp;quot;interface&amp;quot; and&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

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&lt;p class=3DMsoNormal&gt;&lt;font size=3D1 face=3DTahoma&gt;&lt;span =
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inputs.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;
My tray provides a small &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

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&lt;p class=3DMsoNormal&gt;&lt;font size=3D1 face=3DTahoma&gt;&lt;span =
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strap
attached to each&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

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&lt;p class=3DMsoNormal&gt;&lt;font size=3D1 face=3DTahoma&gt;&lt;span =
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&lt;p class=3DMsoNormal&gt;&lt;font size=3D1 face=3DTahoma&gt;&lt;span =
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&lt;p class=3DMsoNormal&gt;&lt;font size=3D1 face=3DTahoma&gt;&lt;span =
style=3D'font-size:8.5pt;
font-family:Tahoma'&gt;-------------- Original message -------------- &lt;br&gt;
From: &amp;quot;Jay Marshall&amp;quot; &amp;lt;lightfoot@sc.rr.com&amp;gt; &lt;br&gt;
&lt;br&gt;
&amp;gt; &lt;br&gt;
&amp;gt; I find that I have a dumb thumb problem with cross-coupling X-Y =
axis on
the &lt;br&gt;
&amp;gt; Al-El stick on the transmitter and was thinking that a xmitr tray =
might &lt;br&gt;
&amp;gt; help. Any thoughts on this and recommendations on which to use? =
&lt;br&gt;
&amp;gt; &lt;br&gt;
&amp;gt; Jay Marshall &lt;br&gt;
&amp;gt; &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

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Marshall&amp;quot; &amp;lt;lightfoot@sc.rr.com&amp;gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br&gt;
To: &lt;i&gt;&lt;span style=3D'font-style:italic'&gt;&amp;quot;NSRCA&amp;quot;
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