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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>There was a program on Nova or one of those science
things that talked about it. Some Brit did a study for Israel back in the
early 50s to measure the heat load so they could design their irrigation
system. For some reason he went back and did it again within the last few
years. He found that there was something like 20% less heat from the sun
but no one was interested because everyone knows we have global warming.
Then some guys in Australia who measure the rate of evaporization got together
with him and their data correlated very well. They then showed pictures
from space of the contrails up and down the Western states and explained how the
water droplets formed on the jet soot and reflected the sunlight. A very
interesting program. Sounds like we need more high altitude pollution to
counter global warming.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Jim O</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=bob@toprudder.com href="mailto:bob@toprudder.com">Bob Richards</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, July 19, 2006 10:15
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Carbon
fiber shortage</DIV>
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<DIV>Actually, I do remember reading about the effects of high-altitude jet
exhaust in an article about 4 years ago. Seems that after 9-11, someone did a
study. It was due to an extremely rare moment in history, when no airplanes
were allowed to fly, at least in the Con US. According the the report I read,
the effect was measureable.<BR></DIV>
<DIV>Bob R.</DIV>
<DIV><BR><B><I>Richard Strickland
<richard.s@allied-callaway.com></I></B> wrote:</DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">A
thought on a hot day—supposed to be 104 F today in KC.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Has anyone done a study on how much
fuel gets injected into the upper atmosphere by jets? <SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>I know there are PIPELINE(S!)
of the stuff going from the Gulf coast to the East coast and elsewhere.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>You certainly hear about pollution
from any kind of ground vehicle—but absolutely nuthin’ about airline, GA,
and military transport.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>It
would seem that a little spread out in the upper atmosphere would have a
great deal more effect than a lot spread closer to the ground.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>I AM feeling a little guilty driving
a hog, however.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>I’m thinking
‘sacred cow’ information suppression—we might have to truly get our act
together on high-speed mass transit.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">Off
soapbox--wish I was at the NATS,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">-----Original
Message-----<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B>
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]<B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Gray E Fowler<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Wednesday, July 19, 2006 8:12
AM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> NSRCA Mailing
List<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Carbon fiber shortage</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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color=black size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black"><BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT
face=sans-serif color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: sans-serif">Tom</SPAN></FONT><FONT
color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"> <BR><BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT
face=sans-serif color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: sans-serif">Just because
those "Road Warrior" movies were film in Australia does not mean they are
true! Besides, I love $3/gallon gasoline.</SPAN></FONT><FONT
color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"> <BR><BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT
face=sans-serif color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: sans-serif">1. People use
less</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black">
<BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT face=sans-serif color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: sans-serif">2.
Alternatives become cost effective</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"> <BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT face=sans-serif color=black
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: sans-serif">3. Ethanol
will replace Gasoline and we can save oil to make CF!</SPAN></FONT><FONT
color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"> <BR><BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT
face=sans-serif color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: sans-serif">Gray</SPAN></FONT><FONT
color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"> <BR><BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT
face="Comic Sans MS" color=blue><SPAN
style="COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">Hey
Gray,</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"> <BR>
<BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=blue><SPAN
style="COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">I Think the A380 cant get
to Oz fast enough. I think on these long haul flight routes it will be a
good thing-HOWEVER-personally I'm not too keen to get on anything made by
Airbus. I shudder every time I have to get on one.They seem to have a habit
of falling out of the sky. Isn't there some kind of joke amongst Airbus
pilots? Something along the lines of-'why did it do
that?'</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"> <BR>
<BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=blue><SPAN
style="COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">I believe Australia is
also involved with the JSF. Down here, there has been some political
debate over it lately, along the lines of, overpriced, behind schedule and
yesterdays technology.....all good stuff really, cause when we run out of
oil shortly, no one will be able to afford air travel or fill their car with
gasoline. I doubt the JSF will be much good to anyone either sitting on the
tarmac ( unless its powered by anti-matter and Dilithium crystals
<VBG>)</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black">
<BR> <BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=blue><SPAN
style="COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">I think our dependence on
the middle east because of its oil will affect us all more than we think.
Isn't carbon fibre manufacture dependant on oil as well? How do they heat
those furnaces?</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black">
<BR> <BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=blue><SPAN
style="COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">Luckily most of my
modelling endeavours will remain in mostly balsa, and maybe the
remaining rolls of carbon in my workshop may become worthwhile 'stock'
<G> AND even better, maybe my unbuilt PL kits will appreciate in
'value' after all........hehehehehehehe...I wished
..sigh.</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black">
<BR> <BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=blue><SPAN
style="COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">Tom</SPAN></FONT><FONT
color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"> <BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT
face=sans-serif color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: sans-serif"><BR><BR><BR>Gray
Fowler<BR>Senior Principal Chemical Engineer<BR>Radome and Composites
Engineering<BR>Raytheon</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
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