<div>Actually, I do remember reading about the effects of high-altitude jet exhaust in an article about 4 years ago. Seems that after 9-11, someone did a study. It was due to an extremely rare moment in history, when no airplanes were allowed to fly, at least in the Con US. According the the report I read, the effect was measureable.<BR></div> <div>Bob R.</div> <div><BR><B><I>Richard Strickland <richard.s@allied-callaway.com></I></B> wrote:</div> <BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid"> <META content=Word.Document name=ProgId> <META content="Microsoft Word 9" name=Generator> <META content="Microsoft Word 9" name=Originator><LINK href="cid:filelist.xml@01C6AB16.BD36C030" rel=File-List> <STYLE> <!-- /* Font Definitions */ @font-face {font-family:Tahoma; panose-1:2 11 6 4 3 5 4 4 2 4; mso-font-charset:0; mso-generic-font-family:swiss; mso-font-pitch:variable; mso-font-signature:553679495
-2147483648 8 0 66047 0;} @font-face {font-family:sans-serif; panose-1:0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0; mso-font-alt:"Times New Roman"; mso-font-charset:0; mso-generic-font-family:roman; mso-font-format:other; mso-font-pitch:auto; mso-font-signature:0 0 0 0 0 0;} @font-face {font-family:"Comic Sans MS"; panose-1:3 15 7 2 3 3 2 2 2 4; mso-font-charset:0; mso-generic-font-family:script; mso-font-pitch:variable; mso-font-signature:647 0 0 0 159 0;} /* Style Definitions */ p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal {mso-style-parent:""; margin:0in; margin-bottom:.0001pt; mso-pagination:widow-orphan; font-size:12.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";} p.MsoAutoSig, li.MsoAutoSig, div.MsoAutoSig {margin:0in; margin-bottom:.0001pt; mso-pagination:widow-orphan; font-size:12.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";} span.EmailStyle15
{mso-style-type:personal-reply; mso-ansi-font-size:10.0pt; mso-ascii-font-family:Arial; mso-hansi-font-family:Arial; mso-bidi-font-family:Arial; color:navy;} @page Section1 {size:8.5in 11.0in; margin:1.0in 1.25in 1.0in 1.25in; mso-header-margin:.5in; mso-footer-margin:.5in; mso-paper-source:0;} div.Section1 {page:Section1;} --> </STYLE> <DIV class=Section1> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><SPAN class=EmailStyle15><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">A thought on a hot day—supposed to be 104 F today in KC.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Has anyone done a study on how much fuel gets injected into the upper atmosphere by jets? <SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>I know there are PIPELINE(S!) of the stuff going from the Gulf coast to the East coast and elsewhere.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>You certainly hear
about pollution from any kind of ground vehicle—but absolutely nuthin’ about airline, GA, and military transport.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>It would seem that a little spread out in the upper atmosphere would have a great deal more effect than a lot spread closer to the ground.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>I AM feeling a little guilty driving a hog, however.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>I’m thinking ‘sacred cow’ information suppression—we might have to truly get our act together on high-speed mass transit.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></div> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><SPAN class=EmailStyle15><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></div> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><SPAN
class=EmailStyle15><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">Off soapbox--wish I was at the NATS,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></div> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><SPAN class=EmailStyle15><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></div> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><SPAN class=EmailStyle15><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">Richard<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></div> <div class=MsoNormal><SPAN class=EmailStyle15><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></div> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Tahoma color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE:
10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">-----Original Message-----<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]<B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Gray E Fowler<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Wednesday, July 19, 2006 8:12 AM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> NSRCA Mailing List<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Carbon fiber shortage</SPAN></FONT></div> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></div> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=black size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black"><BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT face=sans-serif color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY:
sans-serif">Tom</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"> <BR><BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT face=sans-serif color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: sans-serif">Just because those "Road Warrior" movies were film in Australia does not mean they are true! Besides, I love $3/gallon gasoline.</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"> <BR><BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT face=sans-serif color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: sans-serif">1. People use less</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"> <BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT face=sans-serif color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: sans-serif">2. Alternatives become cost effective</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"> <BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT face=sans-serif color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: sans-serif">3. Ethanol will replace
Gasoline and we can save oil to make CF!</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"> <BR><BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT face=sans-serif color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: sans-serif">Gray</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"> <BR><BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=blue><SPAN style="COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">Hey Gray,</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"> <BR> <BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=blue><SPAN style="COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">I Think the A380 cant get to Oz fast enough. I think on these long haul flight routes it will be a good thing-HOWEVER-personally I'm not too keen to get on anything made by Airbus. I shudder every time I have to get on one.They seem to have a habit of falling out of the sky. Isn't there some kind of joke amongst Airbus pilots? Something along the lines of-'why did it do
that?'</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"> <BR> <BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=blue><SPAN style="COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">I believe Australia is also involved with the JSF. Down here, there has been some political debate over it lately, along the lines of, overpriced, behind schedule and yesterdays technology.....all good stuff really, cause when we run out of oil shortly, no one will be able to afford air travel or fill their car with gasoline. I doubt the JSF will be much good to anyone either sitting on the tarmac ( unless its powered by anti-matter and Dilithium crystals <VBG>)</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"> <BR> <BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=blue><SPAN style="COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">I think our dependence on the middle east because of its oil will affect us all more than we think. Isn't carbon fibre manufacture
dependant on oil as well? How do they heat those furnaces?</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"> <BR> <BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=blue><SPAN style="COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">Luckily most of my modelling endeavours will remain in mostly balsa, and maybe the remaining rolls of carbon in my workshop may become worthwhile 'stock' <G> AND even better, maybe my unbuilt PL kits will appreciate in 'value' after all........hehehehehehehe...I wished ..sigh.</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"> <BR> <BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=blue><SPAN style="COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">Tom</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"> <BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT face=sans-serif color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: sans-serif"><BR><BR><BR>Gray Fowler<BR>Senior Principal Chemical Engineer<BR>Radome
and Composites Engineering<BR>Raytheon</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></div></DIV>_______________________________________________<BR>NSRCA-discussion mailing list<BR>NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<BR>http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>