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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> Ya they call it global dimming if it
wasn’t for the dimming the earth would be about 5 or 6 degrees warmer in
steed of 1 or 2 I do have agree on the li-po theory ;-)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Del K. Rykert<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, July 19, 2006
4:08 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> NSRCA Mailing List<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Carbon fiber shortage</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Probably all the Li-Po packs that are overheated and
generators to feed them making extra heat... <tic> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<st1:State w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Del</st1:place></st1:State> <br>
nsrca - 473</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href="mailto:khoard@gmail.com" title="khoard@gmail.com">Keith Hoard</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"
title="nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA Mailing List</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Wednesday, July
19, 2006 3:00 PM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Carbon fiber shortage<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Maybe that is why it's so hot at the Nats this year? There
aren't as many glow engines leaving contrails. . . <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=gmailquote><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>On 7/19/06, <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>J.Oddino</span></b>
<<a href="mailto:joddino@socal.rr.com">joddino@socal.rr.com</a>> wrote:</span></font></span>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>There was a program on Nova or one of those science things
that talked about it. Some Brit did a study for <st1:country-region
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Israel</st1:place></st1:country-region> back in
the early 50s to measure the heat load so they could design their irrigation
system. For some reason he went back and did it again within the last few
years. He found that there was something like 20% less heat from the sun
but no one was interested because everyone knows we have global warming.
Then some <st1:PersonName w:st="on">guy</st1:PersonName>s in <st1:country-region
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Australia</st1:place></st1:country-region> who
measure the rate of evaporization got together with him and their data
correlated very well. They then showed pictures from space of the
contrails up and down the Western states and explained how the water droplets
formed on the jet soot and reflected the sunlight. A very interesting
program. Sounds like we need more high altitude pollution to counter
global warming. </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href="mailto:bob@toprudder.com" target="_blank"
title="bob@toprudder.com (mailto:bob@toprudder.com)">Bob Richards</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>To:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank"
title="nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org (mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org)">NSRCA
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Wednesday, July
19, 2006 10:15 AM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Carbon fiber shortage<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Actually, I do remember reading about the effects of high-altitude jet
exhaust in an article about 4 years ago. Seems that after 9-11, someone did a
study. It was due to an extremely rare moment in history, when no airplanes
were allowed to fly, at least in the Con US. According the the report I read,
the effect was measureable. <br>
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12.0pt'>Bob R.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<b><i><span style='font-weight:bold;font-style:italic'>Richard Strickland <<a
href="mailto:richard.s@allied-callaway.com" target="_blank"
title="mailto:richard.s@allied-callaway.com">richard.s@allied-callaway.com </a>></span></i></b>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>A thought on a hot day—supposed to
be 104 F today in KC. Has anyone done a study on how much fuel gets
injected into the upper atmosphere by jets? I know there are
PIPELINE(S!) of the stuff going from the Gulf coast to the East coast and
elsewhere. You certainly hear about pollution from any kind of ground
vehicle—but absolutely nuthin' about airline, GA, and military transport.
It would seem that a little spread out in the upper atmosphere would
have a great deal more effect than a lot spread closer to the ground. I
AM feeling a little guilty driving a hog, however. I'm thinking 'sacred
cow' information suppression—we might have to truly get our act together
on high-speed mass transit.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'>-----Original Message-----<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> <a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank"
title="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
</a>[mailto:<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org"
target="_blank" title="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
</a>]<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Gray E Fowler<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, July 19, 2006
8:12 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> NSRCA Mailing List <br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Carbon fiber shortage</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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</span></font><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:black'>Tom</span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black'> <br>
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</span></font><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:black'>Just because those "Road Warrior"
movies were film in <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Australia</st1:place></st1:country-region>
does not mean they are true! Besides, I love $3/gallon gasoline. </span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black'><br>
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</span></font><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:black'>1. People use less</span></font><font size=2
color=black face=sans-serif><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;
color:black'> </span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black'><br>
</span></font><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:black'>2. Alternatives become cost effective </span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black'><br>
</span></font><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:black'>3. Ethanol will replace Gasoline and we can save
oil to make CF! </span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black'><br>
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</span></font><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:black'>Gray</span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black'> <br>
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</span></font><font color=blue face="Comic Sans MS"><span style='font-family:
"Comic Sans MS";color:blue'>Hey Gray,</span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black'> <br>
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</span></font><font color=blue face="Comic Sans MS"><span style='font-family:
"Comic Sans MS";color:blue'>I Think the A380 cant get to Oz fast enough. I
think on these long haul flight routes it will be a good
thing-HOWEVER-personally I'm not too keen to get on anything made by Airbus. I
shudder every time I have to get on one.They seem to have a habit of falling
out of the sky. Isn't there some kind of joke amongst Airbus pilots? Something
along the lines of-'why did it do that?'</span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black'> <br>
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</span></font><font color=blue face="Comic Sans MS"><span style='font-family:
"Comic Sans MS";color:blue'>I believe <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Australia</st1:place></st1:country-region> is also involved with the
JSF. Down here, there has been some political debate over it lately,
along the lines of, overpriced, behind schedule and yesterdays
technology.....all good stuff really, cause when we run out of oil shortly, no
one will be able to afford air travel or fill their car with gasoline. I doubt
the JSF will be much good to anyone either sitting on the tarmac ( unless its
powered by anti-matter and Dilithium crystals <VBG>) </span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black'><br>
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</span></font><font color=blue face="Comic Sans MS"><span style='font-family:
"Comic Sans MS";color:blue'>I think our dependence on the middle east because
of its oil will affect us all more than we think. Isn't carbon fibre
manufacture dependant on oil as well? How do they heat those furnaces? </span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black'><br>
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</span></font><font color=blue face="Comic Sans MS"><span style='font-family:
"Comic Sans MS";color:blue'>Luckily most of my modelling endeavours will remain
in mostly balsa, and maybe the remaining rolls of carbon in my workshop
may become worthwhile 'stock' <G> AND even better, maybe my
unbuilt PL kits will appreciate in 'value' after all........hehehehehehehe...I
wished ..sigh. </span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black'><br>
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</span></font><font color=blue face="Comic Sans MS"><span style='font-family:
"Comic Sans MS";color:blue'>Tom</span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black'> <br>
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font-family:Arial;color:black'><br>
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<br>
Gray Fowler<br>
Senior Principal Chemical Engineer<br>
Radome and Composites Engineering <br>
Raytheon</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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