<div>Is the mixture control needle solution a popular one? Any drawbacks?</div> <div> </div> <div>Colin.<BR><BR><B><I>Dean Pappas <d.pappas@kodeos.com></I></B> wrote:</div> <BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid"> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.2900.2912" name=GENERATOR> <DIV><SPAN class=160070821-18072006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff>Hi again Col.inn,</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=160070821-18072006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff>It's not a fancy carb, just the old O.S. mixture control needle.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=160070821-18072006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff>I'll spend a few minutes later and find the Tower part #.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=160070821-18072006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff>Dean</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <div><FONT face="Times New Roman">Dean Pappas</FONT> <BR><FONT face="Times New Roman">Sr. Design Engineer</FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Times New Roman">Kodeos Communications</FONT> <BR><FONT face="Times New Roman">111 Corporate Blvd.</FONT> <BR><FONT face="Times New Roman">South Plainfield, N.J. 07080</FONT> <BR><FONT face="Times New Roman">(908) 222-7817 phone</FONT> <BR><FONT face="Times New Roman">(908) 222-2392 fax</FONT> <BR><FONT face="Times New Roman">d.pappas@kodeos.com</FONT> </div> <BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]<B>On Behalf Of </B>colin chariandy<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, July 18, 2006 4:52 PM<BR><B>To:</B> NSRCA Mailing List<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Break-in procedure for OS140<BR><BR></FONT></DIV> <DIV>I like the mixture control carb idea but where can I get one? I thought they were no longer available?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Colin.<BR><BR><B><I>Dean Pappas
<d.pappas@kodeos.com></I></B> wrote:</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid"> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.2900.2912" name=GENERATOR> <DIV><SPAN class=461293119-18072006><FONT face=Arial>Hello Colin,</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=461293119-18072006><FONT face=Arial>Yes, the richer idle is necessary to get the engine to settle into a good brake. Your problem is really with the midrange, and tweaking the idle is a band-aid.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=461293119-18072006><FONT face=Arial>You have three ways to attack, that I can think of.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=461293119-18072006><FONT face=Arial>1) Add compression. It will help keep the fire lit in the middle. If pinging in the vertical up lines occurs, then abandon this approach quickly.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=461293119-18072006><FONT face=Arial>2) Hotter plug if possible.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=461293119-18072006><FONT face=Arial>3) Add an OS mixture control needle valve and drive it with a servo and a curve mix from the throttle. The mix is 0% at both top and bottom,</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=461293119-18072006><FONT face=Arial>and whatever necessary in the middle.I found that working the curve so that the engine is just slightly rich of peak at the middle points works well.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=461293119-18072006><FONT face=Arial>My highly compressed two-plug OS has the mixture <EM>richened</EM> in the middle, compared to the metering curve in the carb.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=461293119-18072006><FONT face=Arial></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=461293119-18072006><FONT face=Arial>Hope this helps,</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=461293119-18072006><FONT face=Arial>Dean</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman">Dean Pappas</FONT>
<BR><FONT face="Times New Roman">Sr. Design Engineer</FONT> <BR><FONT face="Times New Roman">Kodeos Communications</FONT> <BR><FONT face="Times New Roman">111 Corporate Blvd.</FONT> <BR><FONT face="Times New Roman">South Plainfield, N.J. 07080</FONT> <BR><FONT face="Times New Roman">(908) 222-7817 phone</FONT> <BR><FONT face="Times New Roman">(908) 222-2392 fax</FONT> <BR><FONT face="Times New Roman">d.pappas@kodeos.com</FONT> </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]<B>On Behalf Of </B>rcmaster199@aol.com<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, July 18, 2006 3:15 PM<BR><B>To:</B> nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Break-in procedure for OS140<BR><BR></FONT></DIV> <DIV>Texans, in my experience, are brilliant. They have proven, time
and again, Einstein's theory of relativity....by simply doing what comes naturally. Go figure!! (vbg)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Matt</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From: wgalligan@goodsonacura.com<BR>To: nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<BR>Sent: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 11:03 AM<BR>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Break-in procedure for OS140<BR><BR> <STYLE>.AOLPlainTextBody { FONT-SIZE: 12px; MARGIN: 0px; COLOR: #000; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma, Verdana, Arial, Sans-Serif; BACKGROUND-COLOR: #fff } .AOLPlainTextBody PRE { FONT-SIZE: 9pt } .AOLInlineAttachment { MARGIN: 10px } .AOLAttachmentHeader { BORDER-RIGHT: #7da8d4 1px solid; BORDER-TOP: #7da8d4 1px solid; BACKGROUND: #f9f9f9; FONT: 11px arial; BORDER-LEFT: #7da8d4 1px solid; BORDER-BOTTOM: #7da8d4 1px solid } .AOLAttachmentHeader .Title { PADDING-RIGHT: 3px; PADDING-LEFT: 3px; BACKGROUND: #b5ddfa; PADDING-BOTTOM: 3px; FONT: 11px arial; PADDING-TOP: 3px } .AOLAttachmentHeader
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style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=cchariandy@yahoo.ca href="javascript:parent.ComposeTo('cchariandy@yahoo.ca');">colin chariandy</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org href="javascript:parent.ComposeTo('nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org');">NSRCA Mailing List</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, July 17, 2006 2:32 PM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Break-in procedure for OS140</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV>That big a prop seems unbelievable! How is the noise, speed and acceleration?How critical is the set-up conditions , temperature , humidity etc? </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I do have one and may give it
a try.<BR><BR><B><I>WAYNE <<A href="javascript:parent.ComposeTo('wgalligan@goodsonacura.com');">wgalligan@goodsonacura.com</A>></I></B> wrote:</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid"> <DIV><FONT face=Arial>Yes to lengthening the pipe and then try to trichen it a little and see what happens. I had mine at about 26.5 inches from the plug with and Aeroslave pipe, low end at about 1'oclock or a little less and turning a 19x10 2-b c.f Mejlik prop. Cool Power 15% turning about 7600 rpm.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial>So electric like it was nice.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial>Wayne Galligan</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE
style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=cchariandy@yahoo.ca href="javascript:parent.ComposeTo('cchariandy@yahoo.ca');">colin chariandy</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org href="javascript:parent.ComposeTo('nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org');">NSRCA Mailing List</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, July 17, 2006 1:06 PM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Break-in procedure for OS140</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV>I've got a couple gallons through the new engine and I think it's now properly broken in. The mid-range got a bit rich and clears abrutply with a jump in rpm. I leaned the low end a little (from 12 to
1 o'clock position) and the downline braking disappeared. Speed control with this set-up is difficult. With the low end a bit rich speed is inconsistent on the horizontal lines but downlines are good. With the low end a bit lean downlines are too fast but the horizontal lines are good. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I'm at 26.25" from the plug and turning the 15x11x4 at 8100rpm. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Is there any benift to lengthening the pipe further? </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Colin.<BR><BR><B><I>Ron Lockhart <ronlock@comcast.net></I></B> wrote:</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid"> <DIV><FONT face=Arial>My Aeroslave set up on OS 140 is maybe 1/2 inch longer.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial>Works nice, tachs 7,800 on ground on 15.75 x 10 3b.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial>Idle setting is very lean- I keep leaning it till it becomes hard to start, then
richen a bit.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial>Ron Lockhart</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=wgalligan@goodsonacura.com href="javascript:parent.ComposeTo('wgalligan@goodsonacura.com');">Wayne Galligan</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org href="javascript:parent.ComposeTo('nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org');">NSRCA Mailing List</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, June 13, 2006 5:13 PM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Break-in procedure for OS140</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial>Colin,</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT
face=Arial></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial>What is the length of you setup from the plug to the baffle inside? If I remember right the baflle is 15" from the inlet.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial>Mine is at 26" from the plug and I finaLy was able to get a real good down line braking and richen the low end out. The Aeroslave pipe will make a ton of power in a shorter length but the engine gets peaky and will come on the pipe or really unload. One thing about this pipe. If it is burbly rich in the midrange the length is too short.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial>Wayne Galligan</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt
arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=cchariandy@yahoo.ca href="javascript:parent.ComposeTo('cchariandy@yahoo.ca');">colin chariandy</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org href="javascript:parent.ComposeTo('nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org');">NSRCA Mailing List</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, June 13, 2006 11:40 AM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Break-in procedure for OS140</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV>Worked like a charm!!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The engine ran flawlessly on the first flight after the run-in. I'm using the Aeroslave pipe and 15.5x12 4 blade. I'm about 1 3/4 out with the high end and parallel with the cylinder for the low end screw. All seems OK.... good/slightly rich top end, reliable idle, rich in the middle but accelerates with no problem, good downline braking. When should I start moving the low end
screw and where will the final position be ...typically?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Colin.<BR><BR><B><I>Mike Hester <kerlock@comcast.net></I></B> wrote:</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid"> <STYLE></STYLE> <DIV><FONT face=Arial>Correction: Bottom end needle.....1/16 of a turn, not 1/8. The bottom end screw is VERY sensitive.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial>-Mike</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=kerlock@comcast.net href="javascript:parent.ComposeTo('kerlock@comcast.net');">Mike Hester</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org href="javascript:parent.ComposeTo('nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org');">NSRCA Mailing List</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, June 06, 2006 11:42 AM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Break-in procedure for OS140</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial>I am going to write a full "care and feeding" article for the OS 140 for the July K-Factor, but here's a good start.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial>First, set your low end screw parallel to the cylinder. 12 o'clock, straight up and down. leave it there for the duration of the break in.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial>Use an APC 17x10N prop. use an OS F plug.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial>back the high end needle out 2 full turns. if you plane has a chin cowl, remove it.
This engine gets hot for the first run or 2 on the ground.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial>Crank the engine with a very high idle. Remove the igniter and then advance the throttle to full power after about a minute. It should be spitting rich.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial>Turn the high end needle until it gets some good RPM but still very rich. You should be putting out some serious smoke. let it run this way for about 5 minutes, no more.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial>Shut the engine off, and let it cool for about 1/2 hour. the more, the better.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial>Fill the tank, crank it again, run it to full. This time go in on the needle about 2 clicks and use that for the reference. About every 30-45 seconds, lean it until it goes to max RPM, and not ANY further. Let
it run this way for about 5 seconds, and richen it back up. Cycle it this way for about 7 minutes. Shut down the engine, let it cool again.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial>Crank the 3rd time, and run it at the same setting for about 2 minutes. Now lean it a couple of more clicks, and it should be still putting out some serious smoke, but a little closer to full. Step back, and let it run wide open for a minute, then begin throttling it back and forth every minute or so. Run the tank out like this.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial>put it together and go fly it. Don't touch the needle. When you get to the bottom of the 1st gallon, go in with the needle ONE click every flight until you get max power. When your low end changes, set the low end (always more lean, but not a whole lot. When you play with that bottom end, a little goes a long way. Like 1/8 of a turn or so.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial>There are a lot of diffferent ways to do it; some people just set it rich and fly. This way works every time though, and the engines last longer.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial>have fun,</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial>-Mike</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=cchariandy@yahoo.ca href="javascript:parent.ComposeTo('cchariandy@yahoo.ca');">colin chariandy</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org href="javascript:parent.ComposeTo('nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org');">NSRCA Mailing List</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B>
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