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pulls and pushes on hot humid days, I’m assuming it may have something to do
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yes"> </span>I quit using mind-altering substances in ’89 after my share ran out.<span
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>Was a lot easier to get ‘in’ to Monocoting
and masking in those days…..Dude(s).<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]<b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Gray E Fowler<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, July 12, 2006
3:12 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> NSRCA Mailing List<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
paint(and E exhaust)</span></font></p>
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</span></font><font size=2 color=black face=sans-serif><span style='font-size:
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here.</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black'> <br>
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</span></font><font size=2 color=black face=sans-serif><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:black'>(Wayne-O,,,,,good thing this guys
not in our district)</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black'> <br>
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Gray Fowler<br>
Senior Principal Chemical Engineer<br>
Radome and Composites Engineering<br>
Raytheon</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black'> <br
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font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Speaking of electric battery exhaust—and I know
you guys are going to think I’ve lost it—very occasionally I could swear I’ve
seen a bit of some kind of trailing ‘exhaust’ looking vapor on my
electrics. Has anyone else experienced that (and will admit it) or have I
just lost my mind? again.</span></font><font color=black><span
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'>-----Original
Message-----<b><span style='font-weight:bold'><br>
From:</span></b> nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]<b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Gray E Fowler<b><span style='font-weight:bold'><br>
Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, July 12, 2006 1:14 PM<b><span style='font-weight:
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To:</span></b> NSRCA Mailing List<b><span style='font-weight:bold'><br>
Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] paint</span></font><font
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Tim</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=2 color=black face=sans-serif><span style='font-size:
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I am unaware of Imron properties. Clear coat is a protection for some systems that
are not fuel proof and for pigmented car systems that absolutely require a
reactive clear coat. I do not trust that a paint shop person is aware of the
nitromethane chemical resistance of Imron. Pehaps someone on this list does
know.</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black'> <br>
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Single stage paints, such as PPG DBU etc are a non reactive carrier resin
pigmented with a color and fillers. They basically "dry" or evaporate
a solvent and what is left behind is the non reacted resin and color.
Clearcoats are reactive, which is a thermosetting polymer-non reversable.
Single stage paints dry and then can be removed with a slovent wipe, or fuel on
your plane.</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black'> <br>
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But! it is important tp point out that single stage paints are not affected by
electric battery exhaust, except for the occasional unbalanced cell act.</span></font><font
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Radome and Composites Engineering<br>
Raytheon</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black'> </span></font><font
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I am getting ready to spray imron. I have never painted anything. I
told the paint shop what I was using it for and they said I didn’t need a clear
and I didn’t get any reducer. What type of reducer and how much should I
use for this type of paint. Also why do you use clear over a single stage
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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b><span style='font-weight:
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Humidity is not a problem, dew point is. Since it is warm now in most places
this should not be a problem. The amount of reducer called out by the
paint manufacturer has two purposes, <br>
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1. Reduce the viscosity so a standard paint gun can atomize</span></font><font
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2. Only reduce the viscosity barely enough as to meet EPA volatile organic
emmision requirements <br>
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The PPG "reducer" amounts allow the car painting guy to seriously
"lay it on" with out fear of runs or overspray. Unfortunately laying
it on an airplane increases weight. A thicker clear coat will not really
protect your plane better than a thinner coat, so it is just weight. Adding
more reducer (its really a blend of different solvents) will allow for
thinner coats, less overspray, but can increase runs. <br>
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The reducer like I mentioned is a blend of solvents, and all of this 100%
evaporates and has nothing to do with the urethane chemical reaction that cures
the clearcoat. You can add as much reducer as you want without
reprisal...except from the EPA, which I doubt will go after an individual
pattern guy...but I could be wrong. So once you are comfortable with
increasing your local pollution level...add that 200% reducer!!!</span></font><font
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Couple of painting questions.<br>
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Weathers turned to crap around here again. How much humidity is to humid
to <br>
paint?<br>
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I've been reading where the jet guys are reducing they're clear coat to a <br>
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