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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
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to use fuel proof paint?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b><span style='font-weight:
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, July 12, 2006
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> NSRCA Mailing List<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Imron, if true Imron, is both very expensive and fuel proof. However I
do not believe it is fire proof for the electron crowd.............<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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font-family:Arial'>This is such a delightful enlightenment on battery exhaust
and cell balancing acts... pertaining to chemically stimulated painted model
aircraft surfaces.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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href="mailto:gfowler@raytheon.com" title="gfowler@raytheon.com">Gray E Fowler</a>
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<font size=2 face=sans-serif><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif'>I
am unaware of Imron properties. Clear coat is a protection for some systems
that are not fuel proof and for pigmented car systems that absolutely require a
reactive clear coat. I do not trust that a paint shop person is aware of the
nitromethane chemical resistance of Imron. Pehaps someone on this list does
know.</span></font> <br>
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<font size=2 face=sans-serif><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif'>Single
stage paints, such as PPG DBU etc are a non reactive carrier resin pigmented
with a color and fillers. They basically "dry" or evaporate a solvent
and what is left behind is the non reacted resin and color. Clearcoats are
reactive, which is a thermosetting polymer-non reversable. Single stage paints
dry and then can be removed with a slovent wipe, or fuel on your plane.</span></font>
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<font size=2 face=sans-serif><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif'>But!
it is important tp point out that single stage paints are not affected by
electric battery exhaust, except for the occasional unbalanced cell act.</span></font>
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Gray Fowler<br>
Senior Principal Chemical Engineer<br>
Radome and Composites Engineering<br>
Raytheon</span></font> <br>
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</span></font><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I am getting ready to spray imron. I have
never painted anything. I told the paint shop what I was using it for and
they said I didn’t need a clear and I didn’t get any reducer. What type
of reducer and how much should I use for this type of paint. Also why do
you use clear over a single stage paint. </span></font> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original
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From:</span></b> nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Gray E Fowler<b><span style='font-weight:bold'><br>
Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, July 12, 2006 8:17 AM<b><span style='font-weight:
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To:</span></b> NSRCA Mailing List<b><span style='font-weight:bold'><br>
Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] paint</span></font> <o:p></o:p></p>
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Robert</span></font> <br>
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Humidity is not a problem, dew point is. Since it is warm now in most places
this should not be a problem. The amount of reducer called out by the
paint manufacturer has two purposes, </span></font><br>
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1. Reduce the viscosity so a standard paint gun can atomize</span></font> <font
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2. Only reduce the viscosity barely enough as to meet EPA volatile organic
emmision requirements </span></font><br>
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The PPG "reducer" amounts allow the car painting guy to seriously
"lay it on" with out fear of runs or overspray. Unfortunately laying
it on an airplane increases weight. A thicker clear coat will not really
protect your plane better than a thinner coat, so it is just weight. Adding
more reducer (its really a blend of different solvents) will allow for thinner
coats, less overspray, but can increase runs. </span></font><br>
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The reducer like I mentioned is a blend of solvents, and all of this 100%
evaporates and has nothing to do with the urethane chemical reaction that cures
the clearcoat. You can add as much reducer as you want without
reprisal...except from the EPA, which I doubt will go after an individual
pattern guy...but I could be wrong. So once you are comfortable with
increasing your local pollution level...add that 200% reducer!!!</span></font> <font
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Gray Fowler<br>
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Radome and Composites Engineering<br>
Raytheon</span></font> <o:p></o:p></p>
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Couple of painting questions.<br>
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Weathers turned to crap around here again. How much humidity is to humid
to <br>
paint?<br>
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I've been reading where the jet guys are reducing they're clear coat to a <br>
200% ratio. They think it's great. Anybody tried this? <br>
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