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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>George and all...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> Not to step on anyone's toes and
many opinions are flying... Some are very erroneous... </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> I have my opinion and have to
stick with what I feel is the correct way to address snaps. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> I follow what is written in the
rule book.. end of story... Part of the ambiguity stems from
different aircraft and different pilots use different inputs to produce their
maneuver. It is left up to us judges to score what we see based on the Don
Ramsey or the rule book has said. Has nothing to do with what a full scale
snap may look like.. has nothing to do with what a 1/3rd or 1.4 scale snap
may look like.. Different breed of cat and visually appear
different... IMHO.. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> If someone was able to produce a
visual file of what is and what is not acceptable might help some.. Part
of the problem we as humans are expected to process visually and mentally what
occurs often in less than 1 sec for the meat of the maneuver and some are going
to not see some flaws when so much of the maneuver occurs is so a small space
and time. Heaven forbid if a judge blinks or gets teary eyed from wind at
moment of execution. I have been fooled by some and gave a score.. I
try my darndest to catch all those that try to fool me. I am only human
but a very hard nosed judge. Does that mean we shouldn't have the snap in
the schedule? I myself think that is a pretty drastic
reaction. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> I try to follow what I was
taught at judging seminars. focus on CG of aircraft. A definite break in
flight path has to occur if a true snap occurred. I defy anyone to show me
how and airplane.. any airplane can do a true snap and at least not have had
some degree of break in flight path.. Correct me if I am all wet ...
Also the tail should show some conical movement along with the
break.. have to be careful to not confuse some that do a barrel roll
but still have a little conical movement of tail.. I have seen it done..
and they received their appropriate goose egg. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> Nothing is written about the
aircraft speed being a judging factor... before during or after the snap..
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> stepping down..
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>
Del <BR> nsrca -
473</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=geobet@gis.net href="mailto:geobet@gis.net">george w. kennie</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA Mailing List</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, July 05, 2006 7:20
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Snap</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I have received several e-mails from some very
accomplished pilots who have indicated that they are perplexed regarding the
requirements regarding the proper execution of the snap maneuver. Specifically
what needs to be shown to the judge in order to score well. Even among the
judging community there is a lack of consensus with many misunderstandings of
what constitutes a "break" and recognizing the stalled condition and heaven
forbid, the auto-rotation.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>It is apparent that a standard needs to be
adopted that will once and for all end the individualized interpretations
being submitted from all quarters (mine included).</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>If indeed there is a correct process involved to
bring about the proper execution of this maneuver, then it should be possible
for the people responsible for handing down the final definitives, to single
out the pilot who consistantly performs this maneuver to the precise
satisfaction of their judging criteria and have the performance video-taped
and made part of the NSRCA web-site and eliminate the confusion.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>This will enable anyone to visit the web-site,
observe the process, and come away with the full knowledge of how to (as
Robert Gainey says) score TENS !</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> Yeah, Me.......(who
else?) </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=tretas513@yahoo.com href="mailto:tretas513@yahoo.com">Tommy
Scarmardo</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA Mailing List</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, July 04, 2006 2:38
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Snap</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>George,</DIV>
<DIV>Kinda like when the judges tell us to slow down, we're flying too fast
!</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>tommy s<BR><BR><B><I>"george w. kennie" <<A
href="mailto:geobet@gis.net">geobet@gis.net</A>></I></B> wrote:</DIV>
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think I have a problem with #1.<BR>I think the pilot's responsibility is
to perform the maneuver correctly.<BR>The Judges responsibility is to know
what a correctly performed maneuver <BR>looks like and then to score it
accurately.<BR>The pilot has no responsibility to satisfy a judge who may
be inept.<BR>G.<BR><BR><BR><BR>----- Original Message ----- <BR>From:
"John Ferrell" <JOHNFERRELL@EARTHLINK.NET><BR>To: "NSRCA Mailing List"
<NSRCA-DISCUSSION@LISTS.NSRCA.ORG><BR>Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 10:20
AM<BR>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Snap<BR><BR><BR>> >From my
point of view:<BR>> 1. It remains the pilot's responsibility to satisfy
the judges.<BR>> 2. What is and is not a snap is defined by our
rules.<BR>> 3. All airplanes do not snap alike, see #1.<BR>> 4.
"Burying the Snap" by over controlling will eventually put you in
a<BR>> situation that will score poorly.<BR>><BR>> IMHO:<BR>>
Those of us with a chronic problem of over controlling usually wind
up<BR>> selecting control travel limits based on what it takes to snap
and spin.<BR>> Those with the gift of fine motor control can get away
with more sensitive<BR>> controls.<BR>><BR>> John Ferrell
W8CCW<BR>> "My Competition is not my enemy"<BR>>
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