<DIV style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;"><DIV>We need descriptive language that is widely understood. We judge by the rule book and not what is widely accepted. If someone is judging by what they understand is a snap and not what the rule book stands, then they be a bad judge. I have seen this many times, we had a gentlemen that judged snaps partially be what he heard from the sticks, instead of what he saw. </DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face="Arial" size="2">I agree with Nat.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title="natpenton@centurytel.net">Nat Penton</A> </DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face="Arial" size="2">Del, the problem is "everyone has thier opinion and everyone has to stick with what they feel is the correct way to address snaps".</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face="Arial" size="2">We need descriptive language that is widely accepted.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title="drykert2@rochester.rr.com">Del K. Rykert</A> </DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face="Arial" size="2">George and all...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Arial" size="2"> Not to step on anyone's toes and many opinions are flying... Some are very erroneous... </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Arial" size="2"> I have my opinion and have to stick with what I feel is the correct way to address snaps. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Arial" size="2"> I follow what is written in the rule book.. end of story... Part of the ambiguity stems from different aircraft and different pilots use different inputs to produce their maneuver. It is left up to us judges to score what we see based on the Don Ramsey or the rule book has said. Has nothing to do with what a full scale snap may look like.. has nothing to do with what a 1/3rd or 1.4 scale snap may look like.. Different breed of cat and visually appear different... IMHO.. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Arial" size="2"> If someone was able to produce a visual file of what is and what is not acceptable might help some.. Part of the problem we as humans are expected to process visually and mentally what occurs often in less than 1 sec for the meat of the maneuver and some are going to not see some flaws when so much of the maneuver occurs is so a small space and time. Heaven forbid if a judge blinks or gets teary eyed from wind at moment of execution. I have been fooled by some and gave a score.. I try my darndest to catch all those that try to fool me. I am only human but a very hard nosed judge. Does that mean we shouldn't have the snap in the schedule? I myself think that is a pretty drastic reaction. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Arial" size="2"> I try to follow what I was taught at judging seminars. focus on CG of aircraft. A definite break in flight path has to occur if a true snap occurred. I defy anyone to show me how and airplane.. any airplane can do a true snap and at least not have had some degree of break in flight path.. Correct me if I am all wet ... Also the tail should show some conical movement along with the break.. have to be careful to not confuse some that do a barrel roll but still have a little conical movement of tail.. I have seen it done.. and they received their appropriate goose egg. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Arial" size="2"> Nothing is written about the aircraft speed being a judging factor... before during or after the snap.. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face="Arial" size="2"> stepping down.. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face="Arial" size="2"> Del <BR> nsrca - 473</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title="geobet@gis.net">george w. kennie</A> </DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face="Arial" size="2">I have received several e-mails from some very accomplished pilots who have indicated that they are perplexed regarding the requirements regarding the proper execution of the snap maneuver. Specifically what needs to be shown to the judge in order to score well. Even among the judging community there is a lack of consensus with many misunderstandings of what constitutes a "break" and recognizing the stalled condition and heaven forbid, the auto-rotation.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Arial" size="2">It is apparent that a standard needs to be adopted that will once and for all end the individualized interpretations being submitted from all quarters (mine included).</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Arial" size="2">If indeed there is a correct process involved to bring about the proper execution of this maneuver, then it should be possible for the people responsible for handing down the final definitives, to single out the pilot who consistantly performs this maneuver to the precise satisfaction of their judging criteria and have the performance video-taped and made part of the NSRCA web-site and eliminate the confusion.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Arial" size="2">This will enable anyone to visit the web-site, observe the process, and come away with the full knowledge of how to (as Robert Gainey says) score TENS !</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Arial" size="2"> Yeah, Me.......(who else?) </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title="tretas513@yahoo.com">Tommy Scarmardo</A> </DIV>
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<DIV>George,</DIV>
<DIV>Kinda like when the judges tell us to slow down, we're flying too fast !</DIV>
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<DIV>tommy s<BR><BR><B><I>"george w. kennie" <<A>geobet@gis.net</A>></I></B> wrote:</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid"><BR>John,<BR>I think I have a problem with #1.<BR>I think the pilot's responsibility is to perform the maneuver correctly.<BR>The Judges responsibility is to know what a correctly performed maneuver <BR>looks like and then to score it accurately.<BR>The pilot has no responsibility to satisfy a judge who may be inept.<BR>G.<BR><BR><BR><BR>----- Original Message ----- <BR>From: "John Ferrell" <BR>To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <BR>Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 10:20 AM<BR>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Snap<BR><BR><BR>> >From my point of view:<BR>> 1. It remains the pilot's responsibility to satisfy the judges.<BR>> 2. What is and is not a snap is defined by our rules.<BR>> 3. All airplanes do not snap alike, see #1.<BR>> 4. "Burying the Snap" by over controlling will eventually put you in a<BR>> situation that will score poorly.<BR>><BR>> IMHO:<BR>> Those of us with a chronic problem of over controlling usually wind up<BR>> selecting control travel limits based on what it takes to snap and spin.<BR>> Those with the gift of fine motor control can get away with more sensitive<BR>> controls.<BR>><BR>> John Ferrell W8CCW<BR>> "My Competition is not my enemy"<BR>> http://DixieNC.US<BR>><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>
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