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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Del, the problem is "everyone has thier opinion and
everyone has to stick with what they feel is the correct way to address
snaps".</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>We need descriptive language that is widely
accepted.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=drykert2@rochester.rr.com href="mailto:drykert2@rochester.rr.com">Del
K. Rykert</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA Mailing List</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, July 07, 2006 10:04
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [NSRCA-discussion] klipped to
repost.. Snap</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>George and all...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> Not to step on anyone's toes
and many opinions are flying... Some are very erroneous... </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> I have my opinion and have to
stick with what I feel is the correct way to address snaps. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> I follow what is written in
the rule book.. end of story... Part of the ambiguity stems from
different aircraft and different pilots use different inputs to produce their
maneuver. It is left up to us judges to score what we see based on the
Don Ramsey or the rule book has said. Has nothing to do with what a full
scale snap may look like.. has nothing to do with what a 1/3rd or 1.4
scale snap may look like.. Different breed of cat and visually appear
different... IMHO.. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> If someone was able to produce
a visual file of what is and what is not acceptable might help some..
Part of the problem we as humans are expected to process visually and mentally
what occurs often in less than 1 sec for the meat of the maneuver and some are
going to not see some flaws when so much of the maneuver occurs is so a small
space and time. Heaven forbid if a judge blinks or gets teary eyed from
wind at moment of execution. I have been fooled by some and gave a
score.. I try my darndest to catch all those that try to fool me.
I am only human but a very hard nosed judge. Does that mean we shouldn't
have the snap in the schedule? I myself think that is a pretty
drastic reaction. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> I try to follow what I was
taught at judging seminars. focus on CG of aircraft. A definite break in
flight path has to occur if a true snap occurred. I defy anyone to show
me how and airplane.. any airplane can do a true snap and at least not have
had some degree of break in flight path.. Correct me if I am all wet
... Also the tail should show some conical movement along with the
break.. have to be careful to not confuse some that do a barrel
roll but still have a little conical movement of tail.. I have seen it
done.. and they received their appropriate goose egg. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> Nothing is written about the
aircraft speed being a judging factor... before during or after the snap..
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> stepping down..
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>
Del <BR> nsrca -
473</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=geobet@gis.net href="mailto:geobet@gis.net">george w. kennie</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA Mailing List</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, July 05, 2006 7:20
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Snap</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I have received several e-mails from some very
accomplished pilots who have indicated that they are perplexed regarding the
requirements regarding the proper execution of the snap maneuver.
Specifically what needs to be shown to the judge in order to score well.
Even among the judging community there is a lack of consensus with many
misunderstandings of what constitutes a "break" and recognizing the stalled
condition and heaven forbid, the auto-rotation.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>It is apparent that a standard needs to be
adopted that will once and for all end the individualized interpretations
being submitted from all quarters (mine included).</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>If indeed there is a correct process involved
to bring about the proper execution of this maneuver, then it should be
possible for the people responsible for handing down the final definitives,
to single out the pilot who consistantly performs this maneuver to the
precise satisfaction of their judging criteria and have the performance
video-taped and made part of the NSRCA web-site and eliminate the
confusion.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>This will enable anyone to visit the web-site,
observe the process, and come away with the full knowledge of how to (as
Robert Gainey says) score TENS !</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> Yeah, Me.......(who
else?) </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=tretas513@yahoo.com href="mailto:tretas513@yahoo.com">Tommy
Scarmardo</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA Mailing List</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, July 04, 2006 2:38
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Snap</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>George,</DIV>
<DIV>Kinda like when the judges tell us to slow down, we're flying too
fast !</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>tommy s<BR><BR><B><I>"george w. kennie" <<A
href="mailto:geobet@gis.net">geobet@gis.net</A>></I></B> wrote:</DIV>
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think I have a problem with #1.<BR>I think the pilot's responsibility is
to perform the maneuver correctly.<BR>The Judges responsibility is to
know what a correctly performed maneuver <BR>looks like and then to
score it accurately.<BR>The pilot has no responsibility to satisfy a
judge who may be inept.<BR>G.<BR><BR><BR><BR>----- Original Message
----- <BR>From: "John Ferrell" <JOHNFERRELL@EARTHLINK.NET><BR>To: "NSRCA
Mailing List" <NSRCA-DISCUSSION@LISTS.NSRCA.ORG><BR>Sent: Tuesday, July
04, 2006 10:20 AM<BR>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Snap<BR><BR><BR>> >From my point of view:<BR>> 1. It remains
the pilot's responsibility to satisfy the judges.<BR>> 2. What is and
is not a snap is defined by our rules.<BR>> 3. All airplanes do not
snap alike, see #1.<BR>> 4. "Burying the Snap" by over controlling
will eventually put you in a<BR>> situation that will score
poorly.<BR>><BR>> IMHO:<BR>> Those of us with a chronic problem
of over controlling usually wind up<BR>> selecting control travel
limits based on what it takes to snap and spin.<BR>> Those with the
gift of fine motor control can get away with more sensitive<BR>>
controls.<BR>><BR>> John Ferrell W8CCW<BR>> "My Competition is
not my enemy"<BR>>
http://DixieNC.US<BR>><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>
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