Well I think I may have found somthing that works. I put a Futaba PCM receiver in instead of my PPM receiver, and everything seemes to work. No buzzing or glitching. However, could the PCM be still masking my problem, and would there be the potential for lockout? Too much to think about for me thats for sure. I'll have to do some more extensive testing with the PCM reciever to see if it's actually going to help.
<br><br>For now, the Jeskys have offered to let me borrow a complete JR TX/RX/Servo set up for the NATS. This is going to be my best way to temporarially solve the problem, and then after the NATS, we will definitely figure out the true root of this problem. It's too odd to let go. Thanks a bunch to everyone who offered setups and what not, the Jeskys live close so its much more feasable.
<br><br>I really appreciate everyone's input and it has all helped a great deal. Right now the closest we've gotten is with the PCM reciever. Hopefully that will solve the problem.<br><br>Scott<br><br><div><span class="gmail_quote">
On 7/5/06, <b class="gmail_sendername">R. LIPRIE</b> <<a href="mailto:RLIPRIE@centurytel.net">RLIPRIE@centurytel.net</a>> wrote:</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
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<div><font size="2">The best servos you could get, would be DIGITAL.</font></div>
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Matt</font></div>
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<b>From:</b>
<a title="f3aflyer7@gmail.com" href="mailto:f3aflyer7@gmail.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">Scott
Pavlock</a> </div></span></div><div><span class="e" id="q_10c400f628558046_2">
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K6XYZ@valornet.com</a> ; <a title="nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">NSRCA Mailing List</a> </div>
<div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, July 05, 2006 11:04
AM</div>
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Servo RF Masking and....Thanks!</div>
<div><br></div>First, I just want to say thanks a whole bunch to the people
who offered me equipment as I've gotten some private e-mails also. It really
goes to show how great people are in this hobby. I am, however, going to go
through local sources for different equipment. There are a lot of people at my
club with plenty of different TX's and RX's in all different brands so instead
of trying to rush and get things here so quickly, I would rather get them
locally first. Thanks a ton!! <br><br>Next, I want to reiterate my set up
because I think this is getting a little confusing.<br><br>My current set up
which shows NO visible problems is: <br>-Futaba 9C with the syntheszed
module.<br>-Hitec Super Slim RX on channel 49. <br>-2 Futaba 3010's.<br>-2
Hitec HS77's.<br>-1 Hitec HS81MG.<br>-Duralite 2s2p RX Battery<br>-MPI 5.6v
Regulator.<br>-MPI HD Switch Harness.<br>-Cermark gold plated
extentions.<br><br>Now here is my problem set up which shows the glitch:
<br>-2 JR 9411sa's<br>-1 JR 8417<br>-1 JR 8411sa<br>-1 JR 3421sa<br>-The rest
is identical.<br><br>As you can see, the only thing that seems to make it work
is the alanog servos.<br><br>Del, they glitch when they are connected and
disconnected from the surfaces. More so when they are connected, but I can
totally rule out the airframe being the problem. These servos have at least 2
years of flying on them and one of the hypothesis I had was that after being
vibrated around for 2 years, theyre now feeling like they should always be
doing that, even without a load. Not sure if that's possible, but I'm just
throwin out ideas. <br><br>The next thing I am going to test is a Futaba PCM
receiver on both set ups. The set up that works will be in the aircraft, and
the set up that doesnt will be sitting in the foam transmitter
box.<br><br>***Important*** <br>Yesterday I range tested both set ups. The one
that "works" is in the plane, and the one that doesnt (JR digitals) was in the
transmitter box. Both tests were done outside on grass. I put the antenna all
the way down and walked at least 300 feet with no noticible problem at all
when testing the airplane. When testing the digital servos, I was able to walk
about 100 feet from the box they were sitting in and thats when they became
very noticible glitches. This was both with the antenna at 1 section out, and
all the way up. The glitch was reduced when it was all the way out but it was
still prevalent. <br><br>
<div><span class="gmail_quote">On 7/5/06, <b class="gmail_sendername">Dave
Harmon</b> <<a href="mailto:K6XYZ@valornet.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">K6XYZ@valornet.com</a>>
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<p><font color="blue" face="Comic Sans MS" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: blue;">Which model Futaba rx is
it?</span></font></p>
<p><font color="blue" face="Comic Sans MS" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: blue;"></span></font> </p>
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<p><font color="blue" face="Times New Roman" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: blue;">Regards<br><br>Dave Harmon<br>NSRCA
586<br>K6XYZ[at]valornet[dot]com<br>Broken Arrow, Ok.</span></font><font color="blue"><span style="color: blue;"> </span></font></p></div></div>
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<p style="margin-left: 0.5in;"><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma;">-----Original
Message-----<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
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On Behalf Of </span></b>John Ferrell<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, July 05, 2006 9:21
AM<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> NSRCA Mailing
List<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Analog Servo RF Masking and....Thanks!</span></font></p>
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<p style="margin-left: 0.5in;"><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">I have seen this kind of
"Twilight Zone" ( I really like that term!) failure in industrial products.
The problem is probably present in the Analog setup but the system is not
fast enough for it to show.</span></font></p></div>
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<p style="margin-left: 0.5in;"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"></span></font> </p></div>
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<p style="margin-left: 0.5in;"><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">If the digital servos are trying
to latch up on the leading edge of a signal shift they may simply be
following switching transients.</span></font></p></div>
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<p style="margin-left: 0.5in;"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"></span></font> </p></div>
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<p style="margin-left: 0.5in;"><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">I seem to recall a condition
where Jr had a filter across the signal at the reciever and Futaba had a
filter across the signal at the servo. Since it always seemed to work
OK so the condition was ignored. May be that the filter has become
essential. I suppose that we may have reached the point in time that we can
no longer ignore the differences in the two systems.
</span></font></p></div>
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<p style="margin-left: 0.5in;"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"></span></font> </p></div>
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<p style="margin-left: 0.5in;"><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">I have used mixed systems but I
have never been comfortable ignoring any engineer's
specfications.</span></font></p></div>
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<p style="margin-left: 0.5in;"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"></span></font> </p></div>
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<p style="margin-left: 0.5in;"><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">When you mix the two systems it
is a hack and you become the test pilot...</span></font></p></div>
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<p style="margin-left: 0.5in;"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"></span></font> </p></div>
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<p style="margin-left: 0.5in;"><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">BTW, my guess is that the glitch
can be fixed with a capacitor (100pf?) across the signal at the servo
end. But then it might just make it worse!</span></font></p></div>
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<p style="margin-left: 0.5in;"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">John Ferrell W8CCW<br>"My
Competition is not my enemy"<br><a href="http://DixieNC.US" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">http://DixieNC.US</a></span></font></p></div>
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<span style="font-weight: bold; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">From:</span></font></b><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;"> <a title="jpavlick@idseng.com" href="mailto:jpavlick@idseng.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">
John Pavlick</a>
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<p style="margin-left: 0.5in;"><b><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-weight: bold; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">To:</span></font></b><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">
<a title="nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">NSRCA Mailing
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<p style="margin-left: 0.5in;"><b><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-weight: bold; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">Sent:</span></font></b><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">
Tuesday, July 04, 2006 7:07 PM</span></font></p></div>
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<p style="margin-left: 0.5in;"><b><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-weight: bold; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">Subject:</span></font></b><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">
Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Analog Servo RF Masking
and....Thanks!</span></font></p></div>
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<p style="margin-left: 0.5in;"><font color="blue" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: blue; font-family: Arial;">Scott A.: Yeah, a
possibility - but he says it works OK with the analog servos. It would be
worth checking, but if he has another Rx he could just substitute that
(probably already did) and see if the problem goes away. Scott P.: Does
moving the antenna change anything? You have to find the common
denominator. If it's not the Rx then maybe it has something to do with the
installation. There is something going on there and I'm not sure why the
digital servos make it more apparent. Find someone who knows how to use a
'scope and see if they can help you. This is weird - you guys have the
same first name and my last name looks like yours. Maybe we're all stuck
in the Twilight Zone...</span></font></p></div>
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<p style="margin-left: 0.5in;"><font face="Times New Roman" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">John Pavlick<br><a href="http://www.idseng.com/" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">
http://www.idseng.com</a><br> </span></font> </p></div>
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nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>]<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">On Behalf Of </span></b>Scott
Anderson<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Tuesday,
July 04, 2006 6:47 PM<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> NSRCA Mailing List<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Analog Servo RF Masking and....Thanks!</span></font></p>
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<p style="margin-left: 0.5in;"><font color="blue" face="Arial" size="4"><span style="font-size: 13.5pt; color: blue; font-family: Arial;">Hi
Scott,</span></font></p></div>
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<p style="margin-left: 0.5in;"><font color="blue" face="Arial" size="4"><span style="font-size: 13.5pt; color: blue; font-family: Arial;">Stupid
question, did you send RX out and have it put on a shaker table and
checked.. I had a RX issue for over a month and spent time with Tony S.
and he found a bad filter on the board.. </span></font></p></div>
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<p style="margin-left: 0.5in;"><font color="blue" face="Arial" size="4"><span style="font-size: 13.5pt; color: blue; font-family: Arial;">Just my 2
cents from a fellow team member..</span></font></p></div>
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<p style="margin-left: 0.5in;"><font color="blue" face="Arial" size="4"><span style="font-size: 13.5pt; color: blue; font-family: Arial;">Scott
Anderson</span></font></p></div>
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<font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-weight: bold; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">From:</span></font></b><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">
<a title="f3aflyer7@gmail.com" href="mailto:f3aflyer7@gmail.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">Scott Pavlock</a>
</span></font></p></div>
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Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Analog Servo RF Masking
and....Thanks!</span></font></p></div>
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<p style="margin-left: 0.5in;"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">I've used multiple battery set
ups including ones without a regulator on a normal NiCd pack, and also
on both a 5.6v regulator and a 6v regulator.<br><br>John,<br><br>No I
don't. I actually have no clue what that is
haha.<br><br>/nsrca-discussion</span></font></p></blockquote></blockquote>
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