<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Jim</font>
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<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">I am IMAC ignorant, but for RC in
general where we all started, it appears to me that IMAC has a basic flaw
in their competition approach. Good enough to compete (gotta have the big
ole plane right?) but not good enough to land. </font>
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<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">I am not speaking as a pattern dude,
just as an RCer. As matter of fact, in my AMA club we actually have a rule
that NO large scale plane/pilot can fly without passing qualifications
set by other designated large scale club members. Last time I looked landing
was one of the qualifications.</font>
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<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Am I nuts or is "I can waterfall
but I cannot land" just crazy?</font>
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<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">I would reccomend just switchin to a
P-51 trainer.</font>
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Radome and Composites Engineering<br>
Raytheon</font>
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<br><font size=2 color=#000080 face="Arial">Gray,</font>
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<br><font size=2 color=#000080 face="Arial">Your words below were my reaction
before flying IMAC. My gut feeling hasn’t changed about it, but
on the other hand, the IMAC equipment and competitors are different and
I believe would have the following take (IMAC folks correct me if I’m
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<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">1. </font><font size=2 color=#000080 face="Arial">Allowing
others to land the plane encourages fathers to bring their younger sons
to the contest and let them compete. There is a higher amount of
kids (young kids) flying IMAC than pattern. However, there is also
a larger kid-factor present when the final placing is announced. Kids
typically score well in IMAC, and place high too.</font>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">2. </font><font size=2 color=#000080 face="Arial">Knocking
out the gear in an IMAC plane is very real possibility any time you land.
One second of misjudged airspeed or decent, and the gear is coming
out with damage to the fuse. Not to mention potentially ruining a
$130+ CF prop.</font>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">3. </font><font size=2 color=#000080 face="Arial">Repairing
the plane is not in line with the “have-fun” focus of a lot of the competitors.
So a rule is in place that in many minds must allow for increased
participation, less damage to expensive equipment, less ego damage too.
It takes several people to cart off an IMAC plane once the gear is
out. </font>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">4. </font><font size=2 color=#000080 face="Arial">$$$
A lot of folks are flying planes 2 – 4 times more expensive than a pattern
plane. There is more overall concern related to equipment health.
Planes are twice as big, but 5 times easier to damage on landing
than a pattern plane. </font>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">5. </font><font size=2 color=#000080 face="Arial">Note:
A lot of the pattern landings I’ve seen would definitely (seriously)
damage an IMAC plane. But the pattern pilot can bounce 3-5 times
and it like nothing happened to the plane (lucky for us). </font>
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<br><font size=2 color=#000080 face="Arial">Again, I’m all for scoring
landings in pattern. It sounds like from Ed’s post there is a class
limit in IMAC for which classes allow alternate lander(s). I’m just
offering a different perspective from the IMAC experience this year.</font>
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<br><font size=2 color=#000080 face="Arial">Jim W.</font>
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<br><font size=2 face="Tahoma"><b>From:</b> nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Gray
E Fowler<b><br>
Sent:</b> Monday, June 19, 2006 3:11 PM<b><br>
To:</b> NSRCA Mailing List<b><br>
Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Sportsman supplemental rules?</font>
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Wow! I find it hard to believe that someone would own and fly a plane
that they in essence cannot land. That is a beginners mistake and
I see it alot at my club, and we call it "Too much plane for
the pilot". Usually this happens with a persons second airplane of
his RC career, not someone at a competition. We all bung a landing now
and then ( as if evident for the constant need of replacement chin cowls)
, but I have to seriously question that if at a contest a pilot cannot
land a plane they brought, should it be allowed? If it is too much
plane for the pilot, the pilot need to step down his plane or learn to
land it in PRACTICE, before his thumbs are shakin' at a contest.</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman">
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I will once again cast another vote to score T/O and Landings knowing the
odds are in my favor that "others" will not a second time sneek
around the majority to enact personal agendas-but thats a differnet topic......</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman">
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When flying RC planes of ANY type there are only two required manuevers...T/O
and then Landing.</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </font><font size=2 face="sans-serif"><br>
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