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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>At the 4 IMAC contests I attended this
year I saw lots of fliers letting better pilots take off and land the plane
(contest attendance 25+, 30+, 40+, 55+). I can maybe see a rule like this
for the basic class, but all classes? Many of the intermediate pilots
were letting other pilots take off and land. Just to compare, IMAC
intermediate is roughly the equivalent of the pattern Advanced class (maybe
harder in terms of stick gymnastics). If you think about it, the guys who
are doing the extra takeoff and landings are getting more exposure to the wind
conditions before their own contest round – is that an unfair advantage
(just asking)?. My personal take is that scoring take offs and landings
are for the betterment of everyone. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Jim W.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
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nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>DaveL322@comcast.net<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Monday, June 19, 2006 1:26
PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> NSRCA Mailing List<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Sportsman supplemental rules?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Bob, point taken, and this discussion goes round and round endlessly.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Anyone who thinks they are forced to takeoff or land is really missing
the big picture, IMHO. Any unsafe takeoff is very likely to get a zero,
or minimal points (so aborting costs you nothing or next to nothing for
score). Any attempted landing that is not going well should be aborted in
the interest of safety (and to save the plane). Crashing on the runway is not
likely to earn very many points.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>A large number of remarked that scoring takeoffs and landings improves
the quality of takeoffs and landings because they are then taken more
seriously, and flown with greater diligence.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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Dave<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>-------------- Original message -------------- <br>
From: Bob Richards <bob@toprudder.com> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>John,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>I see your point, but this plane is 2m legal, it is just over the 11lb
limit. It has a Bisson muffler and is quieter than most all the gassers at my
club, and quieter than a lot of the sport planes that I have seen
Sportsman/Novice flyers show up with. At least in this instance, oversize and
noisey is not a problem.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>SOAPBOX TIME:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>FWIW, the only time I've ever seen a plane hit somebody bad enough to
hurt them, it was by a long time pattern flyer (advanced class) flying a
pattern plane, and it was because he could not keep it on the runway and was
not about to abort the takeoff and take a zero. The person he hit was not on
the flightline, he was deep in the pit. The plane was airborne and was
full throttle when it hit. It did have a muffled tuned pipe, and was very
quiet, however.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Matt and I visited an IMAC contest recently. Several flyers
had someone more experienced perform the takeoff and landings for them,
since the field was small and there was a bit of a crosswind. One of the
contestants was only 9 years old. At no time did I feel there was any
danger to anyone, either on the flightline or in the pit. There were a few
contestants there that would not have been comfortable flying, and
probably would not have flown, if they were required to perform their own
takeoffs and landings. And I'm sure it would not have been as safe, either.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>I wasn't sure before, but I am 100% sure now, that scoring takeoffs and
landings is a bad idea, not only from a safety point of view, but also from the
participation level viewpoint as well. I've witnessed both sides.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Getting back to my original question, I'll be sure to contact the CD.
If my 11 year old son goes to a pattern contest, he might just decide he likes
pattern better than IMAC. Then again, maybe not, if he prangs his plane because
he is forced to takeoff/land in bad conditions.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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Bob R.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<b><i><span style='font-weight:bold;font-style:italic'>John Ferrell
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>It real scary with two lines going for the guys flying
opposite big noisy airplanes that could not manage to stay on the runway. We
generally leave it up to the CD. My choice as CD is not requiring anyone else
to fly with an oversize airplane at the same time.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>John Ferrell W8CCW<br>
"My Competition is not my enemy"<br>
<a href="http://dixienc.us/">http://DixieNC.US</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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