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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Just NE RD Matt. </FONT></DIV>
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<A title=rcmaster199@aol.com
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, June 19, 2006 5:15 PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Sportsman
supplemental rules?</DIV>
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<DIV>Ed speaks not only with the experience of having flown the large
beasties for a bunch of years but also from being the President and
Regional Director of IMAC for several years (Ed, I think that's true or
correct if not). I believe it means he has seen the GOOD the BAD and
the UGLY. </DIV>
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<DIV>We're not talking about the top 20% that fly these models but the other
80% that frankly scare the hell out of me too. </DIV>
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<DIV>MattK</DIV> <BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From: Ed Alt
<ed_alt@hotmail.com><BR>To: NSRCA Mailing List
<nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><BR>Sent: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 16:16:09
-0400<BR>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Sportsman supplemental rules?<BR><BR>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I checked the SA rules and there does not seem to
be anything to explicitely require the pilot to take off or land.
Whatever. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Re. the fragility of large gas planes, I have
three words. Build a Carden. There's Navy jets that don't hold up as
well. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Anyway, whatever IMAC is doing is not much of a
guidepost for Pattern IMO. They have set a direction that may be loads
of fun for amature pilots, but at some point, those aero-whiz-kids have to
take off and land for real. It's flight training 101 and until you can
do that with competence, you shouldn't be handling something that can cut you
in half. Ther's a local guy here in NJ, probably not competing in
anything, but he has his 3 year old son flying 3D crap with no buddy
box. Flail, flail, duck for cover, crash, do it again until Dad's
checkbook is empty. Yeah, that's a direction I want to see
continue.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Honestly, I don't see the slightest connection
between making Pattern more popular and dumbing down TO/landings. Keep
in mind, Pattern is growing in D1, IMAC is shrinking in the same area.
The guys that are left are BEGGING for use of flying fields because they have
lost the use of several already. Combination of noise, overflight of houses,
liability concerns of former host clubs after serious injury at a contest etc.
The sequences, rules and established "BKMs" (yeah, right) continue to
result in very large flight footprints. The airplanes are noisy, rules
notwithstanding. Sorry, but I see nothing to emulate here except for
learning about doing a good marketing hype job and getting more kits and
decent ARCS/ARFS available. We are doing 4 primers in D1 this year and
they'</FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2>re working. Back to basics - develop
real skills, don't promote gimmicks. Sorry if this sounds harsh, but I
left IMAC competition for a reason and I really don't want to see that type of
thinking pervade what I consider to be the more pure form of precision
aerobatics.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Ed</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV
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<A title=jim.woodward@schroth.com
href="javascript:parent.ComposeTo('jim.woodward@schroth.com');">Jim
Woodward</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="javascript:parent.ComposeTo('nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org');">'NSRCA
Mailing List'</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, June 19, 2006 3:33
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Sportsman supplemental rules?</DIV>
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<DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Gray,<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
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<DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Your words below
were my reaction before flying IMAC. My gut feeling hasn’t changed
about it, but on the other hand, the IMAC equipment and competitors are
different and I believe would have the following take (IMAC folks correct me
if I’m off base): <O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<LI class=MsoNormal style="COLOR: navy; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1"><FONT
face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Allowing others to land the
plane encourages fathers to bring their younger sons to the contest and
let them compete. There is a higher amount of kids (young kids)
flying IMAC than pattern. However, there is also a larger kid-factor
present when the final placing is announced. Kids typically score
well in IMAC, and place high too.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT>
<LI class=MsoNormal style="COLOR: navy; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1"><FONT
face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Knocking out the gear in an
IMAC plane is very real possibility any time you land. One second of
misjudged airspeed or decent, and the gear is coming out with damage to
the fuse. Not to mention potentially ruining a $130+ CF
prop.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT>
<LI class=MsoNormal style="COLOR: navy; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1"><FONT
face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Repairing the plane is not in
line with the “have-fun” focus of a lot of the competitors. So a
rule is in place that in many minds must allow for increased
participation, less damage to expensive equipment, less ego damage too.
It takes several people to cart off an IMAC plane once the gear is
out. <O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT>
<LI class=MsoNormal style="COLOR: navy; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1"><FONT
face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">$$$ A lot of folks are flying
planes 2 – 4 times more expensive than a pattern plane. There is
more overall concern related to equipment health. Planes are twice
as big, but 5 times easier to damage on landing than a pattern
plane. <O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT>
<LI class=MsoNormal style="COLOR: navy; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1"><FONT
face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Note: A lot of the
pattern landings I’ve seen would definitely (seriously) damage an IMAC
plane. But the pattern pilot can bounce 3-5 times and it like
nothing happened to the plane (lucky for us).
<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT> </LI></OL>
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<DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Again, I’m all for
scoring landings in pattern. It sounds like from Ed’s post there is a
class limit in IMAC for which classes allow alternate lander(s). I’m
just offering a different perspective from the IMAC experience this
year.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Jim
W.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Gray E Fowler<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Monday, June 19, 2006 3:11
PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> NSRCA Mailing
List<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Sportsman supplemental
rules?</SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P></DIV></DIV>
<DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><O:P> </O:P></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT face=sans-serif size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: sans-serif">Wow! I find it hard
to believe that someone would own and fly a plane that they in essence
cannot land. That is a beginners mistake and I see it alot at my club,
and we call it "Too much plane for the pilot". Usually this happens
with a persons second airplane of his RC career, not someone at a
competition. We all bung a landing now and then ( as if evident for the
constant need of replacement chin cowls) , but I have to seriously question
that if at a contest a pilot cannot land a plane they brought, should it be
allowed? If it is too much plane for the pilot, the pilot need to step
down his plane or learn to land it in PRACTICE, before his thumbs are
shakin' at a contest.</SPAN></FONT> <BR><BR><FONT face=sans-serif
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: sans-serif">I will once
again cast another vote to score T/O and Landings knowing the odds are in my
favor that "others" will not a second time sneek around the majority to
enact personal agendas-but thats a differnet topic......</SPAN></FONT>
<BR><BR><FONT face=sans-serif size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: sans-serif">When flying RC planes of
ANY type there are only two required manuevers...T/O and then
Landing.</SPAN></FONT> <BR><FONT face=sans-serif size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: sans-serif"><BR><BR><BR>Gray
Fowler<BR>Senior Principal Chemical Engineer<BR>Radome and Composites
Engineering<BR>Raytheon</SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P></DIV></DIV>
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