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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I checked the SA rules and there does not seem to
be anything to explicitely require the pilot to take off or land.
Whatever. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Re. the fragility of large gas planes, I have three
words. Build a Carden. There's Navy jets that don't hold up as well.
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Anyway, whatever IMAC is doing is not much of a
guidepost for Pattern IMO. They have set a direction that may be loads of
fun for amature pilots, but at some point, those aero-whiz-kids have to take off
and land for real. It's flight training 101 and until you can do that with
competence, you shouldn't be handling something that can cut you in half.
Ther's a local guy here in NJ, probably not competing in anything, but he has
his 3 year old son flying 3D crap with no buddy box. Flail, flail, duck
for cover, crash, do it again until Dad's checkbook is empty. Yeah,
that's a direction I want to see continue.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Honestly, I don't see the slightest connection
between making Pattern more popular and dumbing down TO/landings. Keep in
mind, Pattern is growing in D1, IMAC is shrinking in the same area. The
guys that are left are BEGGING for use of flying fields because they have lost
the use of several already. Combination of noise, overflight of houses,
liability concerns of former host clubs after serious injury at a contest etc.
The sequences, rules and established "BKMs" (yeah, right) continue to
result in very large flight footprints. The airplanes are noisy, rules
notwithstanding. Sorry, but I see nothing to emulate here except for
learning about doing a good marketing hype job and getting more kits and decent
ARCS/ARFS available. We are doing 4 primers in D1 this year and
they'</FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2>re working. Back to basics - develop
real skills, don't promote gimmicks. Sorry if this sounds harsh, but I
left IMAC competition for a reason and I really don't want to see that type of
thinking pervade what I consider to be the more pure form of precision
aerobatics.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Ed</FONT></DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=jim.woodward@schroth.com href="mailto:jim.woodward@schroth.com">Jim
Woodward</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">'NSRCA Mailing List'</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, June 19, 2006 3:33 PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Sportsman
supplemental rules?</DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Gray,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Your words below were
my reaction before flying IMAC. My gut feeling hasn’t changed about it,
but on the other hand, the IMAC equipment and competitors are different and I
believe would have the following take (IMAC folks correct me if I’m off
base): <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<LI class=MsoNormal style="COLOR: navy; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1"><FONT
face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Allowing others to land the
plane encourages fathers to bring their younger sons to the contest and let
them compete. There is a higher amount of kids (young kids) flying
IMAC than pattern. However, there is also a larger kid-factor present
when the final placing is announced. Kids typically score well in
IMAC, and place high too.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT>
<LI class=MsoNormal style="COLOR: navy; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1"><FONT
face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Knocking out the gear in an IMAC
plane is very real possibility any time you land. One second of
misjudged airspeed or decent, and the gear is coming out with damage to the
fuse. Not to mention potentially ruining a $130+ CF
prop.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT>
<LI class=MsoNormal style="COLOR: navy; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1"><FONT
face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Repairing the plane is not in
line with the “have-fun” focus of a lot of the competitors. So a rule
is in place that in many minds must allow for increased participation, less
damage to expensive equipment, less ego damage too. It takes several
people to cart off an IMAC plane once the gear is out.
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT>
<LI class=MsoNormal style="COLOR: navy; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1"><FONT
face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">$$$ A lot of folks are flying
planes 2 – 4 times more expensive than a pattern plane. There is more
overall concern related to equipment health. Planes are twice as big,
but 5 times easier to damage on landing than a pattern plane.
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT>
<LI class=MsoNormal style="COLOR: navy; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1"><FONT
face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Note: A lot of the pattern
landings I’ve seen would definitely (seriously) damage an IMAC plane.
But the pattern pilot can bounce 3-5 times and it like nothing
happened to the plane (lucky for us). <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Again, I’m all for
scoring landings in pattern. It sounds like from Ed’s post there is a
class limit in IMAC for which classes allow alternate lander(s). I’m
just offering a different perspective from the IMAC experience this
year.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Jim
W.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Gray E Fowler<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Monday, June 19, 2006 3:11
PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> NSRCA Mailing
List<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Sportsman supplemental
rules?</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT face=sans-serif size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: sans-serif">Wow! I find it hard to
believe that someone would own and fly a plane that they in essence cannot
land. That is a beginners mistake and I see it alot at my club, and we
call it "Too much plane for the pilot". Usually this happens with a
persons second airplane of his RC career, not someone at a competition. We all
bung a landing now and then ( as if evident for the constant need of
replacement chin cowls) , but I have to seriously question that if at a
contest a pilot cannot land a plane they brought, should it be allowed?
If it is too much plane for the pilot, the pilot need to step down his
plane or learn to land it in PRACTICE, before his thumbs are shakin' at a
contest.</SPAN></FONT> <BR><BR><FONT face=sans-serif size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: sans-serif">I will once again cast
another vote to score T/O and Landings knowing the odds are in my favor that
"others" will not a second time sneek around the majority to enact personal
agendas-but thats a differnet topic......</SPAN></FONT> <BR><BR><FONT
face=sans-serif size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: sans-serif">When flying RC planes of ANY
type there are only two required manuevers...T/O and then
Landing.</SPAN></FONT> <BR><FONT face=sans-serif size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: sans-serif"><BR><BR><BR>Gray
Fowler<BR>Senior Principal Chemical Engineer<BR>Radome and Composites
Engineering<BR>Raytheon</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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