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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I would have to double check, but I think that's a
rules violation and the rounds should have been zeroed, unless the CD had a
variance in effect to ignore it. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=jim.woodward@schroth.com href="mailto:jim.woodward@schroth.com">Jim
Woodward</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, June 19, 2006 2:12 PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Sportsman
supplemental rules?</DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">At the 4 IMAC
contests I attended this year I saw lots of fliers letting better pilots take
off and land the plane (contest attendance 25+, 30+, 40+, 55+). I can
maybe see a rule like this for the basic class, but all classes? Many of
the intermediate pilots were letting other pilots take off and land.
Just to compare, IMAC intermediate is roughly the equivalent of the pattern
Advanced class (maybe harder in terms of stick gymnastics). If you think
about it, the guys who are doing the extra takeoff and landings are getting
more exposure to the wind conditions before their own contest round – is that
an unfair advantage (just asking)?. My personal take is that scoring
take offs and landings are for the betterment of everyone.
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Jim
W.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of
</SPAN></B>DaveL322@comcast.net<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Monday, June 19, 2006 1:26
PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> NSRCA Mailing
List<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Sportsman supplemental
rules?</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Bob, point taken, and this discussion goes round and
round endlessly.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Anyone who thinks they are forced to takeoff or land
is really missing the big picture, IMHO. Any unsafe takeoff is very
likely to get a zero, or minimal points (so aborting costs you nothing or next
to nothing for score). Any attempted landing that is not going well
should be aborted in the interest of safety (and to save the plane). Crashing
on the runway is not likely to earn very many
points.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">A large number of remarked that scoring takeoffs and
landings improves the quality of takeoffs and landings because they are then
taken more seriously, and flown with greater
diligence.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Regards,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><BR>Dave<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
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<BR>From: Bob Richards <bob@toprudder.com>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">John,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">I see your point, but this plane is 2m legal, it is
just over the 11lb limit. It has a Bisson muffler and is quieter than most
all the gassers at my club, and quieter than a lot of the sport planes that
I have seen Sportsman/Novice flyers show up with. At least in this instance,
oversize and noisey is not a problem.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">SOAPBOX TIME:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">FWIW, the only time I've ever seen a plane hit
somebody bad enough to hurt them, it was by a long time pattern flyer
(advanced class) flying a pattern plane, and it was because he could not
keep it on the runway and was not about to abort the takeoff and take a
zero. The person he hit was not on the flightline, he was deep in the pit.
The plane was airborne and was full throttle when it hit. It did have a
muffled tuned pipe, and was very quiet,
however.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Matt and I visited an IMAC contest
recently. Several flyers had someone more
experienced perform the takeoff and landings for them, since the field
was small and there was a bit of a crosswind. One of the contestants
was only 9 years old. At no time did I feel there was any danger to
anyone, either on the flightline or in the pit. There were a few contestants
there that would not have been comfortable flying, and probably would
not have flown, if they were required to perform their own takeoffs and
landings. And I'm sure it would not have been as safe,
either.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">I wasn't sure before, but I am 100% sure now, that
scoring takeoffs and landings is a bad idea, not only from a safety point of
view, but also from the participation level viewpoint as well. I've
witnessed both sides.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Just my 2CW.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Getting back to my original question, I'll be sure
to contact the CD. If my 11 year old son goes to a pattern contest, he might
just decide he likes pattern better than IMAC. Then again, maybe not, if he
prangs his plane because he is forced to takeoff/land in bad
conditions.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><BR>Bob R.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><BR><B><I><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-STYLE: italic">John Ferrell
<johnferrell@earthlink.net></SPAN></I></B>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">It real scary with two lines
going for the guys flying opposite big noisy airplanes that could not
manage to stay on the runway. We generally leave it up to the CD. My
choice as CD is not requiring anyone else to fly with an oversize airplane
at the same time.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">John Ferrell W8CCW<BR>"My
Competition is not my enemy"<BR><A
href="http://dixienc.us/">http://DixieNC.US</A><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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