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<DIV>One more thing to consider regarding airborne VRs. I am not sure of the circuitry in your failed VR however, in Ed's VR design, he uses a heat sink on the device to absorb the heat build up due to the resistive voltage drop. Ed stated that if the voltage is regulated to say 5.5 volts from the 7.4 nominal voltage of the Li-ion or LiPo, the heat generated and requiring dissipation isn't trivial. </DIV>
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<DIV>If the regulated voltage is closer to nominal, say 6.5V, things stay happier longer without heat sinks. He gave me a heat sink regardless and just in case things gothot for some reason, but so far it isn't needed. I'm not trying to sell Ed's gizmo, I'm not sure he wants that much business. Only pointing out that there are a couple ways these designs could be approached and be effective. Reliability is another matter that can only be achieved in time</DIV>
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<DIV>Matt</DIV> <BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From: White, Chris <chris@ssd.fsi.com><BR>To: NSRCA Mailing List <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><BR>Sent: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 07:25:57 -0500<BR>Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Voltage regulator maintenance/replacement/reliability<BR><BR>
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<DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I know when a regulator fails when using a li-on battery the results are catastrophic. (lost one that way with a miracle switch) How often should a voltage regulator be replaced? Is one VR better than another? Are there any checks which can be done to curtail disaster.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">At this point I prefer flying 5C non-regulated nimh or nicads….just to take the VR out of the loop. I still have an airplane which has Li-on’s and am thinking hard about how far I should push the regulator. Airplane is probably 5-6 years old and equipment is probably original radio stuff. I have 153 flights on it myself and don’t know how many the previous owners put on it. (The onboard Li-on is 2004 with the 153 flights….should it be replaced?)<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Your input is appreciated!<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Hi Matt,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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