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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Why can't you use site 1 and 3 and run 4 flight
lines?????????????? Hmmmmm, it shouldn't be all that difficult to put 3
flight lines just on site 3,...... that runway is pretty long on the left- hand
end.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=atwoodm@paragon-inc.com href="mailto:atwoodm@paragon-inc.com">Atwood,
Mark</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, June 13, 2006 9:57
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rainout
Contests...</DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I was actually
thinking that exact same thing. Back in the late 80’s, early 90’s the
Mint Julep got so big that they needed to make it a three day event. I’m
not sure we’re there…but this is clearly the largest regional contest in the
area. Assuming the normal D4 folks would have driven over Saturday morn,
we would have had 50+ contestants this year. Even with good
weather…6 rounds would be a challenge. I like the Friday afternoon
idea…<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Anyone else have
thoughts? <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">The other possibility
is to maybe run more than 2 flight lines. Clearly the <st1:City
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Muncie</st1:place></st1:City> site can
facilitate that…just not sure how to handle it
logistically…<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>mike mueller<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Tuesday, June 13, 2006 4:47
PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> <st1:PersonName
w:st="on">NSRCA Mailing List</st1:PersonName><BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rainout
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> I think that the shootout should consider a
schedule change.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> I propose that we attempt to get in 2 rounds on
Friday afternoon. Those who don't want to spend an extra night can leave early
enough in the morning on Friday to make the event. Most of the D5 guys were
there on Friday anyways.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> This may be the 1 contest a year where this
would work. If we have a huge crowd again it works and it also allows for some
bad weather.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> Mike<BR><BR><B><I><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-STYLE: italic">Bob Kane
<getterflash@yahoo.com></SPAN></I></B>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">I have been following this thread with interest . .
.<BR>. . it demonstrates how difficult, if not impossible<BR>it is to please
the majority, let alone everybody. On<BR>the flip side of this thread, I
have been asked why we<BR>need to hold two day events. Some have asked
for<BR>Saturday only, others Sunday only ala control line<BR>aerobatics.
Family/Church/Work commitments prevent<BR>some from attending both days of a
weekend event. <BR><BR><BR>--- mike mueller
<MUPS1953@YAHOO.COM>wrote:<BR><BR>> Mark, thanks for clarifying what I
was actually<BR>> attempting to say. After I made my comments<BR>>
yesterday I went flying. Somehow Frankie had heard<BR>> that I was a
little po'd. I told him that my anger<BR>> was in no way directed at
either him or Tommy. It's<BR>> just a general comment on what I have
observed. Oh<BR>> ya your right about the peer pressure
influencing<BR>> many, Mike Mueller<BR>> <BR>> "Atwood, Mark"
<ATWOODM@PARAGON-INC.COM>wrote: <BR>> v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);}
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<BR>> st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) } <BR>> Larry, I think the
issue is less about <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Muncie</st1:place></st1:City> than<BR>> the general topic.
<st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Muncie</st1:place></st1:City> at
8am appeared to be a<BR>> complete washout. It was WAY more obvious
than<BR>> usual…Forecast was for up to an inch of rain over<BR>> the
next 12 hours and probably more on Sunday. <BR>> Calling it was horribly
unfortunate as we had such a<BR>> big crowd from so many areas, but
probably the right<BR>> thing given the information available.<BR>>
<BR>> I think Mike’s point has more to due with less<BR>> obvious
situations, and the general “let’s get home<BR>> early” attitude that’s
become the norm. Forget<BR>> weather…we get the same issue at the
district<BR>> championship regarding flying a 6th round. With 40+<BR>>
contestants, and 2 flight lines, with an average of<BR>> 9 minutes per
pilot, it takes 3 hours per round. <BR>> With GREAT weather… that’s 9
hours of flying both<BR>> days with no breaks. We get the sun in the box
at<BR>> 4:30 – 5pm…so even with a militaristic 8:30am start,<BR>> and
rigid attention to flight lines (Everyone does a<BR>> great job at this I
must add) we’re pressed to<BR>> finish anything more than 3 rounds on
Saturday… <BR>> We could also fly 3 rounds on Sunday…but we’d
likely<BR>> not finish until 4pm or so. That seems to be<BR>>
unacceptable to most anymore. I realize that many<BR>> come from a great
distance for this event (we like<BR>> to think it’s all about the steak
roast and night<BR>> fly! J ), but there are some who are scratching
for<BR>> that last round in hopes<BR>> of pulling out a win, and maybe
a district<BR>> championship.<BR>> <BR>> I know I’ve left before
some contests have ended<BR>> because of other commitments. That’s my
choice, and<BR>> if I have to sacrifice a round…then that’s my<BR>>
choice. Bob Kane often chooses to sacrifice the<BR>> first round of
Sunday flying to attend church… I<BR>> guess my point is maybe Mike’s
right…and we have to<BR>> weight the “Contest” as a whole more heavily…
and<BR>> do our very best to complete them. The pilot<BR>> “vote” has
value, but let’s face it…there’s a lot of<BR>> peer pressure from those
who’s current standings<BR>> won’t change, or maybe even those that will,
but who<BR>> are in the better position at present…to call it a<BR>>
day.<BR>> <BR>> Let’s face it…MOST of the time, we’re able to<BR>>
finish up 6 rounds by 2pm or so….so it’s not a big<BR>> deal most
contests. On the few that do run<BR>> long…maybe we need to suck it up
for the exception<BR>> and lose a little sleep.<BR>> <BR>>
-Mark<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> ---------------------------------<BR>>
<BR>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org<BR>>
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] On<BR>> Behalf Of Lisa
& Larry<BR>> Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2006 10:32 PM<BR>> To:
'<st1:PersonName w:st="on">NSRCA Mailing List</st1:PersonName>'<BR>>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Congratulations<BR>> D5,proud holders of
the Ryder trophy for 2006<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> My initial take is that
I agree with Verne if a<BR>> mistake was made, we own it. I was there
when the<BR>> vote was made. If someone had thoughts to continue<BR>>
the contest it could have been brought up. Many<BR>> people were there
earlier and had left the field for<BR>> one reason or another (not
necessarily to go home,<BR>> but to kill time). <BR>> <BR>> Looking
back, I think that there is room for<BR>> improvement. Perhaps the best
thing to do was for<BR>> the CD’s to be at the field at the correct time
for<BR>> starting the contest no matter what the conditions<BR>> are,
and not let anyone leave for any reason if<BR>> there is a cancellation
concern. This way they can<BR>> work to keep all pilots in the area so a
debate can<BR>> be heard. A decision could then be made to allow<BR>>
folks to check out of there hotel room and meet back<BR>> at the field to
see if any flying could be done.<BR>> This would allow everyone the
flexibility to check<BR>> back in a hotel if we hold the contest without
the<BR>> risk of any unnecessary loss of money by not<BR>> checking
out.<BR>> <BR>> “People needing to leave early on Sunday”, is
not<BR>> a good argument to cancel a contest if the rain is<BR>> bad
on Saturday… If you can get a contest in<BR>> regardless of the time on
Sunday’s end, provided the<BR>> majority of folks want it, then that is
what should<BR>> be done. My point is that everybody knows their
own<BR>> situation. For those who took the time and made the<BR>>
commitment to stick it out, they deserve to have a<BR>> full contest
benefit even if it’s a couple of rounds<BR>> to make a contest.<BR>>
<BR>> I’m on the fence with regards to the <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Muncie</st1:place></st1:City><BR>> cancellation. I would have
been ok with either call.<BR>> If a cancellation is immanent, the sooner
it’s<BR>> called the better. It’s always easier to second<BR>> guess
the decision after the fact knowing how it<BR>> turned out. I wonder how
many people would be ticked<BR>> if the <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Muncie</st1:place></st1:City> contest wasn’t cancelled and
we<BR>> couldn’t get any rounds in due to rain on Sunday<BR>> also?
Lisa and I stayed in the area. There wouldn’t<BR>> have been enough time
to get a complete round in on<BR>> Saturday for all classes. I don’t know
about Sunday.<BR>> <BR>> Larry<BR>> <BR>> <BR>>
---------------------------------<BR>> <BR>> From:
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org<BR>>
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] On<BR>> Behalf Of Verne
Koester<BR>> Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2006 7:55 PM<BR>> To:
<st1:PersonName w:st="on">NSRCA Mailing List</st1:PersonName><BR>>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Congratulations<BR>> D5,proud holders of
the Ryder trophy for 2006<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> For the record, Tom and
Frank polled those who<BR>> were there before they called it. If it was
a<BR>> mistake, everyone standing there owns it, including<BR>>
me.<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> Verne<BR>> <BR>> ----- Original
Message ----- <BR>> <BR>> From: DoWayne Gould <BR>> <BR>> To:
'<st1:PersonName w:st="on">NSRCA Mailing List</st1:PersonName>' <BR>>
<BR>> Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2006 6:50 PM<BR>> <BR>> Subject: Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Congratulations<BR>> D5,proud holders of the Ryder
trophy for 2006<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> As a CD that may have to
make this call in the<BR>> future I am watching this thread closely. I
make it<BR>> to all the contests that I can afford the time and<BR>>
money to attend. I was at <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Muncie</st1:place></st1:City> when the rain<BR>> started at
around 2:30am. It was still raining<BR>> steady at 10am with no clearing
in sight. I would<BR>> not want to stand around all day in the rain for
the<BR>> outside chance that the weather would clear long<BR>> enough
to get a round or two in. The forecast for<BR>> Sunday was for a better
chance of rain. I think Tom<BR>> and Frank did the right thing calling
the contest<BR>> and let everyone salvage there weekend.<BR>> As for
staying late on Sunday to finish or start a<BR>> contest, I work third
shift and have to be at work<BR>> at midnight Sunday. That means if I get
started to a<BR>> contest at 7am and awards are given around 7pm and
I<BR>> have a 2 to 3 hour drive, it doesn’t leave much<BR>> family and
rest time before work. Taking Monday’s<BR>> off for may be OK for some
but others like me get<BR>> paid for being there, if I don’t work I lose
a days<BR>> pay. No pay equals upset family and no hobby funds.<BR>>
Dowayne<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> ---------------------------------<BR>>
<BR>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org<BR>>
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] On<BR>> Behalf Of
george w. kennie<BR>> Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2006 12:53 PM<BR>> To:
<st1:PersonName w:st="on">NSRCA Mailing List</st1:PersonName><BR>>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Congratulations<BR>> D5,proud holders of
the Ryder trophy for 2006<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> I have to somewhat
concur. The most enjoyable<BR>> contest that I ever competed in was a
seven rounder.<BR>> We flew 3 rounds on Sunday and I was in favor of
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