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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>I don't EVER want 3 flight lines overlapping. I'm not real
fond of 2.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Verne</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=rcpattern@comcast.net href="mailto:rcpattern@comcast.net">Archie
Stafford</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">'NSRCA Mailing List'</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, June 14, 2006 2:04
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rainout
Contests...</DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Logistically this
would be tough to do with a local contest…Honestly I wouldn’t want 3 flight
lines going anyway a month before the NATS….All 3 would over-fly each other,
and the middle flight line gets it from both ends…running multiple sites means
you are running guys back and forth between the sites, and you’d have to do
assigned frequencies, which for guys going to the NATS, its not an issue, for
guys that aren’t, then it could be. I like the idea of especially at
that contest, starting Friday afternoon..maybe even something to consider for
ComAir as well. Both have HUGE turnouts and this would get in 6 rounds
easily. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Arch <st1:place
w:st="on">Stafford</st1:place><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>george w. kennie<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Wednesday, June 14, 2006 1:54
PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> <st1:PersonName
w:st="on">NSRCA Mailing List</st1:PersonName><BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rainout
Contests...</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Why can't you use site 1 and 3 and
run 4 flight lines?????????????? Hmmmmm, it shouldn't be all that
difficult to put 3 flight lines just on site 3,...... that runway is pretty
long on the left- hand end.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4"><B><FONT face=Arial
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <A
title=atwoodm@paragon-inc.com href="mailto:atwoodm@paragon-inc.com">Atwood,
Mark</A> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">To:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <A
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href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA Mailing List</A>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
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Tuesday, June 13, 2006 9:57 PM<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Subject:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Rainout Contests...<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I was actually
thinking that exact same thing. Back in the late 80’s, early 90’s the
Mint Julep got so big that they needed to make it a three day event.
I’m not sure we’re there…but this is clearly the largest regional contest in
the area. Assuming the normal D4 folks would have driven over Saturday
morn, we would have had 50+ contestants this year. Even with
good weather…6 rounds would be a challenge. I like the Friday
afternoon idea…<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Anyone else have
thoughts? <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">The other
possibility is to maybe run more than 2 flight lines. Clearly the
<st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on">Muncie</st1:City></st1:place> site
can facilitate that…just not sure how to handle it
logistically…<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>mike mueller<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Tuesday, June 13, 2006 4:47
PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> <st1:PersonName
w:st="on">NSRCA Mailing List</st1:PersonName><BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rainout
Contests...</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> I think that the shootout should consider a
schedule change.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> I propose that we attempt to get in 2 rounds
on Friday afternoon. Those who don't want to spend an extra night can leave
early enough in the morning on Friday to make the event. Most of the D5 guys
were there on Friday anyways.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> This may be the 1 contest a year where this
would work. If we have a huge crowd again it works and it also allows for
some bad weather.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> Mike<BR><BR><B><I><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-STYLE: italic">Bob Kane
<getterflash@yahoo.com></SPAN></I></B>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">I have been following this thread with interest .
. .<BR>. . it demonstrates how difficult, if not impossible<BR>it is to
please the majority, let alone everybody. On<BR>the flip side of this
thread, I have been asked why we<BR>need to hold two day events. Some have
asked for<BR>Saturday only, others Sunday only ala control
line<BR>aerobatics. Family/Church/Work commitments prevent<BR>some from
attending both days of a weekend event. <BR><BR><BR>--- mike mueller
<MUPS1953@YAHOO.COM>wrote:<BR><BR>> Mark, thanks for clarifying what I
was actually<BR>> attempting to say. After I made my comments<BR>>
yesterday I went flying. Somehow Frankie had heard<BR>> that I was a
little po'd. I told him that my anger<BR>> was in no way directed at
either him or Tommy. It's<BR>> just a general comment on what I have
observed. Oh<BR>> ya your right about the peer pressure
influencing<BR>> many, Mike Mueller<BR>> <BR>> "Atwood, Mark"
<ATWOODM@PARAGON-INC.COM>wrote: <BR>> v\:*
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st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) } <BR>> Larry, I think the issue
is less about <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City
w:st="on">Muncie</st1:City></st1:place> than<BR>> the general topic.
<st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on">Muncie</st1:City></st1:place> at
8am appeared to be a<BR>> complete washout. It was WAY more obvious
than<BR>> usual…Forecast was for up to an inch of rain over<BR>> the
next 12 hours and probably more on Sunday. <BR>> Calling it was
horribly unfortunate as we had such a<BR>> big crowd from so many
areas, but probably the right<BR>> thing given the information
available.<BR>> <BR>> I think Mike’s point has more to due with
less<BR>> obvious situations, and the general “let’s get home<BR>>
early” attitude that’s become the norm. Forget<BR>> weather…we get the
same issue at the district<BR>> championship regarding flying a 6th
round. With 40+<BR>> contestants, and 2 flight lines, with an average
of<BR>> 9 minutes per pilot, it takes 3 hours per round. <BR>> With
GREAT weather… that’s 9 hours of flying both<BR>> days with no breaks.
We get the sun in the box at<BR>> 4:30 – 5pm…so even with a
militaristic 8:30am start,<BR>> and rigid attention to flight lines
(Everyone does a<BR>> great job at this I must add) we’re pressed
to<BR>> finish anything more than 3 rounds on Saturday… <BR>> We
could also fly 3 rounds on Sunday…but we’d likely<BR>> not finish until
4pm or so. That seems to be<BR>> unacceptable to most anymore. I
realize that many<BR>> come from a great distance for this event (we
like<BR>> to think it’s all about the steak roast and night<BR>>
fly! J ), but there are some who are scratching for<BR>> that last
round in hopes<BR>> of pulling out a win, and maybe a district<BR>>
championship.<BR>> <BR>> I know I’ve left before some contests have
ended<BR>> because of other commitments. That’s my choice, and<BR>>
if I have to sacrifice a round…then that’s my<BR>> choice. Bob Kane
often chooses to sacrifice the<BR>> first round of Sunday flying to
attend church… I<BR>> guess my point is maybe Mike’s right…and we have
to<BR>> weight the “Contest” as a whole more heavily… and<BR>> do
our very best to complete them. The pilot<BR>> “vote” has value, but
let’s face it…there’s a lot of<BR>> peer pressure from those who’s
current standings<BR>> won’t change, or maybe even those that will, but
who<BR>> are in the better position at present…to call it a<BR>>
day.<BR>> <BR>> Let’s face it…MOST of the time, we’re able
to<BR>> finish up 6 rounds by 2pm or so….so it’s not a big<BR>> deal
most contests. On the few that do run<BR>> long…maybe we need to suck
it up for the exception<BR>> and lose a little sleep.<BR>> <BR>>
-Mark<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> ---------------------------------<BR>>
<BR>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org<BR>>
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] On<BR>> Behalf Of
Lisa & Larry<BR>> Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2006 10:32 PM<BR>> To:
'<st1:PersonName w:st="on">NSRCA Mailing List</st1:PersonName>'<BR>>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Congratulations<BR>> D5,proud holders
of the Ryder trophy for 2006<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> My initial take is
that I agree with Verne if a<BR>> mistake was made, we own it. I was
there when the<BR>> vote was made. If someone had thoughts to
continue<BR>> the contest it could have been brought up. Many<BR>>
people were there earlier and had left the field for<BR>> one reason or
another (not necessarily to go home,<BR>> but to kill time). <BR>>
<BR>> Looking back, I think that there is room for<BR>> improvement.
Perhaps the best thing to do was for<BR>> the CD’s to be at the field
at the correct time for<BR>> starting the contest no matter what the
conditions<BR>> are, and not let anyone leave for any reason if<BR>>
there is a cancellation concern. This way they can<BR>> work to keep
all pilots in the area so a debate can<BR>> be heard. A decision could
then be made to allow<BR>> folks to check out of there hotel room and
meet back<BR>> at the field to see if any flying could be done.<BR>>
This would allow everyone the flexibility to check<BR>> back in a hotel
if we hold the contest without the<BR>> risk of any unnecessary loss of
money by not<BR>> checking out.<BR>> <BR>> “People needing to
leave early on Sunday”, is not<BR>> a good argument to cancel a contest
if the rain is<BR>> bad on Saturday… If you can get a contest
in<BR>> regardless of the time on Sunday’s end, provided the<BR>>
majority of folks want it, then that is what should<BR>> be done. My
point is that everybody knows their own<BR>> situation. For those who
took the time and made the<BR>> commitment to stick it out, they
deserve to have a<BR>> full contest benefit even if it’s a couple of
rounds<BR>> to make a contest.<BR>> <BR>> I’m on the fence with
regards to the <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City
w:st="on">Muncie</st1:City></st1:place><BR>> cancellation. I would have
been ok with either call.<BR>> If a cancellation is immanent, the
sooner it’s<BR>> called the better. It’s always easier to
second<BR>> guess the decision after the fact knowing how it<BR>>
turned out. I wonder how many people would be ticked<BR>> if the
<st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on">Muncie</st1:City></st1:place>
contest wasn’t cancelled and we<BR>> couldn’t get any rounds in due to
rain on Sunday<BR>> also? Lisa and I stayed in the area. There
wouldn’t<BR>> have been enough time to get a complete round in
on<BR>> Saturday for all classes. I don’t know about Sunday.<BR>>
<BR>> Larry<BR>> <BR>> <BR>>
---------------------------------<BR>> <BR>> From:
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org<BR>>
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] On<BR>> Behalf Of
Verne Koester<BR>> Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2006 7:55 PM<BR>> To:
<st1:PersonName w:st="on">NSRCA Mailing List</st1:PersonName><BR>>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Congratulations<BR>> D5,proud holders
of the Ryder trophy for 2006<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> For the record, Tom
and Frank polled those who<BR>> were there before they called it. If it
was a<BR>> mistake, everyone standing there owns it, including<BR>>
me.<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> Verne<BR>> <BR>> -----
Original Message ----- <BR>> <BR>> From: DoWayne Gould <BR>>
<BR>> To: '<st1:PersonName w:st="on">NSRCA Mailing
List</st1:PersonName>' <BR>> <BR>> Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2006 6:50
PM<BR>> <BR>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Congratulations<BR>> D5,proud holders of the Ryder trophy for
2006<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> As a CD that may have to make this
call in the<BR>> future I am watching this thread closely. I make
it<BR>> to all the contests that I can afford the time and<BR>>
money to attend. I was at <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City
w:st="on">Muncie</st1:City></st1:place> when the rain<BR>> started at
around 2:30am. It was still raining<BR>> steady at 10am with no
clearing in sight. I would<BR>> not want to stand around all day in the
rain for the<BR>> outside chance that the weather would clear
long<BR>> enough to get a round or two in. The forecast for<BR>>
Sunday was for a better chance of rain. I think Tom<BR>> and Frank did
the right thing calling the contest<BR>> and let everyone salvage there
weekend.<BR>> As for staying late on Sunday to finish or start
a<BR>> contest, I work third shift and have to be at work<BR>> at
midnight Sunday. That means if I get started to a<BR>> contest at 7am
and awards are given around 7pm and I<BR>> have a 2 to 3 hour drive, it
doesn’t leave much<BR>> family and rest time before work. Taking
Monday’s<BR>> off for may be OK for some but others like me get<BR>>
paid for being there, if I don’t work I lose a days<BR>> pay. No pay
equals upset family and no hobby funds.<BR>> Dowayne<BR>> <BR>>
<BR>> ---------------------------------<BR>> <BR>> From:
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org<BR>>
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] On<BR>> Behalf Of
george w. kennie<BR>> Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2006 12:53 PM<BR>> To:
<st1:PersonName w:st="on">NSRCA Mailing List</st1:PersonName><BR>>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Congratulations<BR>> D5,proud holders
of the Ryder trophy for 2006<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> I have to somewhat
concur. The most enjoyable<BR>> contest that I ever competed in was a
seven rounder.<BR>> We flew 3 rounds on Sunday and I was in favor of
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