<div>Yeah a fuel-air bomb isnt among the most potent explosive?</div> <div> </div> <div>I worked in petrochem design for awhile, doing projects in areas where we had electrical sources in explosive areas. The explosion proof electrical service we placed actually could contain gas and ignite within the box, and the box would vent but the seal of the box was controlled so the flame was extinguished as it exited the box and would not ignite a source outside the box. </div> <div> </div> <div>I was an ME design coordinator so only know the basics of this from the EE guys explanation. Im sure others follow this list that know more than me ;-)</div> <div> </div> <div> I have wondered since the lipo technology and the fears came whether there was any market for something like this. If someone ever screws up and sets a pattern pack off in a garage/car/trailer something like this might help contain better than sand bags, cinder blocks,
crocks, etc....just a thought. </div> <div> </div> <div>Price might be high but cheaper than a lot of other things and if all the safe gaurds go wrong this might offer one last hope. </div> <div><B><I></I></B> </div> <div><B><I>Earl Haury <ehaury@houston.rr.com></I></B> wrote:</div> <BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid"> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.2900.2873" name=GENERATOR> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>All energy sources present a potential risk and must be handled accordingly. The LiPo fire videos demonstrate the potential for this source. Anyone have a video of a gallon of glow fuel or gasoline or Jet-A being ignited - say by a 12v gel cell shorting against a can? I guarantee it will be even more spectacular than the LiPo!</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>My point is that we tend to become complacent with things we are familiar
with. Gasoline is an extremely dangerous material - yet most of us are comfortable in using it and often get by with potentially fatal practice. Only the narrow flammability range of gasoline saves us. (And no - the lubricant added for model engines doesn't make it more safe.)</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>How many have gallons of glow fuel stored in their home or garage? Not a wise thing - but again we get complacent after a period of good luck. (Then there were my trap shooting days when I bought gunpowder in multiple 12# containers - guess where that was stored.)</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The LiPo simply presents a new set of risks and failure modes. Overcharge the things or short them (dents can do this internally) and things get nasty. Care in handling / charging / using these things is mandatory - and yet we all make mistakes. Shorting
them will get your attention immediately (extreme care is required when attaching leads). Crash damage has a high likelihood of shorting them internally / externally - so extreme caution is need here also (think gasoline dripping on sparking battery leads). The overcharge issue can be a matter of carelessness or of charger failure. Containment during charging is a really good idea, as well as a charge system that prevents overvoltage in individual cells (sets). </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I suspect that most charging errors occur with folks using a variety of size packs. The other (well discussed) issue is charger mis-identification of cell count due to trying to charge a charged pack. A little less risk if pattern equipment only is used. (I choose to use separate chargers for the large power batteries and the radio power battery to limit the error factor.) The inclusion of cell "taps" for monitoring cell
(set) voltage and balancing also go a long way toward ensuring that a pack is healthy and behaving normally during charge. </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Bottom line - LiPo's present risk in the same range as other "fuels" - the safety procedures are no more or less important - but they are different!</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Earl</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px;
MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=tretas513@yahoo.com href="mailto:tretas513@yahoo.com">Tommy Scarmardo</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA Mailing List</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, May 25, 2006 10:09 AM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Some more lipo fire videos</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV>I saw some pictures on a Japanese web site of an electric Impact which caught on</DIV> <DIV>fire and was completely destroyed while in the air flying presumably from too much</DIV> <DIV>load on the batteries or maybe a short. I wish I could read Japanese to find out exactly</DIV> <DIV>what
happened.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>tommy s<BR><BR><B><I>Larry <<A href="mailto:ledunn@centurytel.net">ledunn@centurytel.net</A>></I></B> wrote:</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid"> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.2900.2873" name=GENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Maybe this is a good time to share these videos - if you haven't seen them they are well worth watching. Look on the left side of the bottom of the main page.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Lipos fires 1,2 & 3</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><A href="http://www.utahflyers.org/">http://www.utahflyers.org/</A></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I have become a bit of a lipo safety nazi lately - ever since I had my first lipo fire a
couple of months ago.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I have been using lipos since the early days. I'm a smart guy with a background in electronics and all things electrical. I am known as "Electric Larry" at our field. I teach other people how to do electrics and what NOT to do. I'm the go-to guy in our club. In spite of all that - I had a major lipo fire a couple of months ago that destroyed almost all my RC gear and planes and came very close to burning down my house. It was 100% my fault. I was doing too many things at once and had become casual/careless in my care of lipos. I had gone YEARS with no issues at all and had gotten complacent.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>My equipment and charging routines are now 100% improved.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Be careful
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