[From nobody Sun May 21 18:03:59 2006 Reply-To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org> From: "Keith Hoard" <khoard@gmail.com> Sender: <nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org> To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org> References: <20060515031043.91359.qmail@web51012.mail.yahoo.com><040701c67cd3$ca993620$640fa8c0@millertoy><d4d155800605211039i4092c9bcx917f57f1a01f6510@mail.gmail.com><00c101c67cfe$cbef68c0$5da26144@homemain><BAY104-DAV187C5ECF8D8760AE9D66C4E8A50@phx.gbl> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Two killed by model airplane Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 18:02:52 -0400 Message-ID: <6792ef120605211502i6a0f8aa2n75decb5c168bf08e@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_006B_01C67D22.6DA1D400" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: by ETC Incoming Spam Firewall at ellijay.com X-BeenThere: nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion>, <mailto:nsrca-discussion-request@lists.nsrca.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Help: <mailto:nsrca-discussion-request@lists.nsrca.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion>, <mailto:nsrca-discussion-request@lists.nsrca.org?subject=subscribe> In-Reply-To: <BAY104-DAV187C5ECF8D8760AE9D66C4E8A50@phx.gbl> Thread-index: AcZ9IrVC3/b2BNkIRKWsvh7Tnbq6zQ== This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_006B_01C67D22.6DA1D400 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_006C_01C67D22.6DA1D400" ------=_NextPart_001_006C_01C67D22.6DA1D400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Check out this video. The plane lands itself when the Tx is turned off. = . . =20 http://www.gregcovey.com/FMA/TrueFailsafeOperation.wmv =20 I also believe it's only a matter of time until a 40%-er goes into a = crowd here in the US. It happened last year, but we were fortunate that = the injured guy was one of us. If it was a spectator AMA would have a = line of ambulance chasers out their door.=20 =20 Discovery Channel did a series on high-powered model rockets last year. = I thought it was interesting that to be able to buy the higher power = engines you must be signed off by other rocketeers by proving your = experience, knowledge, building ability, and safety conciousness to = them. =20 =20 On 5/21/06, Ed Alt <ed_alt@hotmail.com> wrote:=20 Bob: Ther are kill switches that can be set to work with a pre-set failsafe = output. I think the problem with what you wuold like to see is that = without some failsafe response from the receiver, it's hard to predict = what you will get during interference. I don't think it's unsolvable = though. If you used a spare channel for the kill switch, even a PPM = receiver solution could work. A partially reliable solution would = require either a PCM or PPM receiver to reliably hold one position and = anything outside a narrow tolerance range would trigger the cutoff. = That's easy to do. =20 =20 Here's a better solution, but it requires some cooperation from the = radio manufacturers. What is really needed is a so-called "keep-alive" = signal sequence from the transmitter. Veryone should standardize on the = same, exact thing in a case like this. Keep-alives are used all the = time in computing gear, to help "harden" the solution for failure = detection/recovery etc. It's as old as dirt, used in Telecom, other = mission critical stuff for medical, military etc. The idea in its = simplest form is that a cyclic signal with known attributes is sent to = the "target" (the kill switch for us). If the target doesn't get what = it expects within it's timeout interval, it can initiate whatever action = is deemed necessary. =20 =20 This can be far superior than just camping on a simple steady pulse = position value, since you can make the probability of continuously = receiving a "good" sequence from a bad RF link astronomically high. In = other words, you can set the level of signal link deterioration before = acting on it to something very fleeting or make it take longer to detect = if you want a higher certainty that it is time to act on a bad link. So = you could make the "stay running" sequence a known series of varying = pulse widths, even using varying timing between the varying widths. = None of this is especially difficult to do, nor should it be very = expensive. On top of this, you could een couple the engine kill = response to a loud piezo speaker and chirp out a warning - "Incoming". = Make it an industry standard chirp sequence and it wuold be an = unmistakable sign that a model was no longer under control of a good = link. Then, any 3rd party devices that want to work with this have to = get on board and be redesigned to recognize the standard LOS (loss of = signal) protocol.=20 =20 Ed =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Bob Pastorello <mailto:rcaerobob@cox.net> =20 To: NSRCA Mailing List <mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org> =20 Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2006 1:48 PM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Two killed by model airplane =20 I have oft wondered if an "ignition CUT off" that sensed loss of RX = decoder outputs that would KILL the motor wouldn't help. It would at = least mitigate the energy of the impact. Never heard of one out there = that works exactly like I'm describing, and it would probably only be = effective for gassers at this stage, but it may REDUCE the degree of = injury.=20 =20 I fear full DUAL RF_Link redundancy in our future.... Bob Pastorello www.rcaerobats.net <http://www.rcaerobats.net/>=20 <mailto:rcaerobob@cox.net> rcaerobob@cox.net ----- Original Message -----=20 From: brett terry <mailto:brett.terry@gmail.com> =20 To: NSRCA Mailing List <mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org> =20 Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2006 12:39 PM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Two killed by model airplane =20 Lest we forget, or become careless because of the relative size of our = planes to the 50% scale Pitts that killed the people in Hungary, = remember a young girl was killed in China a few weeks ago by a 21-size = trainer. =20 Like you said, it is only a matter of time. We must always be wary of = the danger, and make sure everybody at our fields also follow safe = practices. On 5/21/06, Ed Miller <edbon85@charter.net > wrote:=20 Having just spent a week at the Joe Nall event it is clear to me it is = only a matter of time before a similar tragedy happens here in the US.=20 Ed M. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: <mailto:mups1953@yahoo.com> mike mueller=20 To: <mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org> NSRCA Mailing List=20 Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2006 11:10 PM=20 Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Two killed by model airplane =20 Sad news,it should remind us that were only a serious accident away = from potentially being grounded. We can all say that we fly safe and = yada yada yada but if the radio fails it could be a disaster. Man I hope = this doesn't happen again. I once witnessed a young girl getting hit by = a plane in the 70's and it still haunts me.=20 --Mike Doug Cronkhite <seefo@san.rr.com> wrote:=20 Yep.. 4 others were injured. Looks like it was a 3W Pitts Model 12 that = crashed. The pilot was arrested by police at the scene..=20 =20 -Doug =20 =20 =20 _____ =20 From: <mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org> = nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org = [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org ] On Behalf Of Ed White Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2006 7:50 PM To: NSRCA Mailing List=20 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Two killed by model airplane =20 Yikes. = <http://english.mti.hu/default.asp?menu=3D1&theme=3D2&cat=3D25&newsid=3D2= 19887> = http://english.mti.hu/default.asp?menu=3D1&theme=3D2&cat=3D25&newsid=3D21= 9887 _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list <mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org> = NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion=20 _____ =20 Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls = <http://us.rd.yahoo.com/mail_us/taglines/postman1/*http://us.rd.yahoo.com= /evt=3D39663/*http://voice.yahoo.com> to the US (and 30+ countries) for = 2=EF=BF=BD/min or less.=20 _____ =20 _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org=20 http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list <mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org> = NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org=20 http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion=20 _____ =20 _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org=20 http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion=20 _____ =20 _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org=20 http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion=20 _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list <mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org> = NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion=20 --=20 Keith Hoard Collierville, TN khoard@gmail.com ------=_NextPart_001_006C_01C67D22.6DA1D400 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div>Check out this video.&nbsp; The plane lands itself when the Tx is = turned off. . .</div>=0A= <div>&nbsp;</div>=0A= <div><a = href=3D"http://www.gregcovey.com/FMA/TrueFailsafeOperation.wmv">http://ww= w.gregcovey.com/FMA/TrueFailsafeOperation.wmv</a></div>=0A= <div>&nbsp;</div>=0A= <div>I also believe it's only a matter of time until a 40%-er goes into = a crowd here in the US.&nbsp; It happened last year, but we were = fortunate that the injured guy was one of us.&nbsp; If it was a = spectator AMA would have a line of ambulance chasers out their door. =0A= </div>=0A= <div>&nbsp;</div>=0A= <div>Discovery Channel did a series on high-powered model rockets last = year.&nbsp; I thought it was interesting that to be able to buy the = higher power engines you must be signed off by other rocketeers by = proving your experience, knowledge, building ability, and safety = conciousness to them.&nbsp; =0A= <br><br>&nbsp;</div>=0A= <div><span class=3D"gmail_quote">On 5/21/06, <b = class=3D"gmail_sendername">Ed Alt</b> &lt;<a = href=3D"mailto:ed_alt@hotmail.com">ed_alt@hotmail.com</a>&gt; = wrote:</span>=0A= <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: = 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">=0A= <div>=0A= <div bgcolor=3D"#ffffff">=0A= <div><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2">Bob:</font></div>=0A= <div><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2">Ther are kill switches that can be = set to work with a pre-set failsafe output.&nbsp; I think the problem = with what you wuold like to see is that without some failsafe response = from the receiver, it's hard to predict what you will get during = interference. I don't think it's unsolvable though.&nbsp; If you used a = spare channel for the kill switch, even a PPM receiver solution could = work.&nbsp; A partially reliable solution would require either a PCM or = PPM receiver to reliably hold one position and anything outside a narrow = tolerance range would trigger the cutoff.&nbsp; That's easy to do.&nbsp; =0A= </font></div>=0A= <div><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"></font>&nbsp;</div>=0A= <div><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2">Here's a better solution, but it = requires some cooperation from the radio manufacturers.&nbsp; What is = really needed is a so-called &quot;keep-alive&quot; signal sequence from = the transmitter.&nbsp; Veryone should standardize on the same, exact = thing in a case like this.&nbsp; Keep-alives are used all the time in = computing gear, to help &quot;harden&quot; the solution for failure = detection/recovery etc.&nbsp; It's as old as dirt, used in Telecom, = other mission critical stuff for medical, military etc.&nbsp; The idea = in its simplest form is that a cyclic signal with known attributes is = sent to the &quot;target&quot; (the kill switch for us).&nbsp; If the = target doesn't get what it expects within it's timeout interval, it can = initiate whatever action is deemed necessary.&nbsp; =0A= </font></div>=0A= <div><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"></font>&nbsp;</div>=0A= <div><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2">This can be far superior than just = camping on a simple steady pulse position value, since you can make the = probability of continuously receiving a &quot;good&quot; sequence from a = bad RF link astronomically high.&nbsp; In other words, you can set the = level of signal link deterioration before acting on it to something very = fleeting or make it take longer to detect if you want a higher certainty = that it is time to act on a bad link.&nbsp; So you could make the = &quot;stay running&quot; sequence a known series of varying pulse = widths, even using varying timing between the varying widths.&nbsp; None = of this is especially difficult to do, nor should it be very = expensive.&nbsp; On top of this, you could een couple the engine kill = response to a loud piezo speaker and chirp out a warning - = &quot;Incoming&quot;.&nbsp; Make it an industry standard chirp sequence = and it wuold be an unmistakable sign that a model was no longer under = control of a good link.&nbsp; Then, any 3rd party devices that want to = work with this have to get on board and be redesigned to recognize the = standard LOS (loss of signal) protocol. =0A= </font></div>=0A= <div><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"></font>&nbsp;</div>=0A= <div><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2">Ed</font></div>=0A= <div><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"></font>&nbsp;</div>=0A= <blockquote style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: = 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">=0A= <div style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </div>=0A= <div style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial"><b>From:</b> <a = title=3D"rcaerobob@cox.net" onclick=3D"return = top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href=3D"mailto:rcaerobob@cox.net" = target=3D"_blank">Bob Pastorello</a> </div>=0A= =0A= <div style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><b>To:</b> <a = title=3D"nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" onclick=3D"return = top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" = href=3D"mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target=3D"_blank">NSRCA = Mailing List=0A= </a> </div>=0A= <div style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, May 21, 2006 1:48 = PM</div>=0A= <div style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] = Two killed by model airplane</div>=0A= <div><br>&nbsp;</div>=0A= <div><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2">I have oft wondered if an = &quot;ignition CUT off&quot; that sensed loss of RX decoder outputs that = would KILL the motor wouldn't help.&nbsp; It would at least mitigate the = energy of the impact.&nbsp; Never heard of one out there that works = exactly like I'm describing, and it would probably only be effective for = gassers at this stage, but it may REDUCE the degree of injury.=0A= </font></div>=0A= <div><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"></font>&nbsp;</div>=0A= <div><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2">I fear full DUAL RF_Link redundancy = in our future....</font></div>=0A= <div><br>Bob Pastorello<br><a onclick=3D"return = top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" = href=3D"http://www.rcaerobats.net/" = target=3D"_blank">www.rcaerobats.net</a><br><a onclick=3D"return = top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href=3D"mailto:rcaerobob@cox.net" = target=3D"_blank">=0A= rcaerobob@cox.net</a></div>=0A= <blockquote style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: = 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">=0A= <div style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </div>=0A= <div style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial"><b>From:</b> <a = title=3D"brett.terry@gmail.com" onclick=3D"return = top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" = href=3D"mailto:brett.terry@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">brett terry</a> =0A= </div>=0A= <div style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><b>To:</b> <a = title=3D"nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" onclick=3D"return = top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" = href=3D"mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target=3D"_blank">NSRCA = Mailing List=0A= </a> </div>=0A= <div style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, May 21, 2006 12:39 = PM</div>=0A= <div style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] = Two killed by model airplane</div>=0A= <div><br>&nbsp;</div>Lest we forget, or become careless because of the = relative size of our planes to the 50% scale Pitts that killed the = people in Hungary, remember a young girl was killed in China a few weeks = ago by a 21-size trainer.&nbsp; =0A= <br><br>Like you said, it is only a matter of time.&nbsp; We must always = be wary of the danger, and make sure everybody at our fields also follow = safe practices.<br><br><br>=0A= <div><span class=3D"gmail_quote">On 5/21/06, <b = class=3D"gmail_sendername">Ed Miller</b> &lt;<a onclick=3D"return = top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" = href=3D"mailto:edbon85@charter.net" = target=3D"_blank">edbon85@charter.net</a>=0A= &gt; wrote:</span> =0A= <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: = 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid">=0A= <div>=0A= <div bgcolor=3D"#ffffff">=0A= <div>Having just spent a week at the Joe Nall event it is clear to me it = is only a matter of time before a similar tragedy happens here in the = US. </div>=0A= <div>Ed M.</div>=0A= <blockquote style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: = 5px; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(0,0,0) 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: = 0px"></blockquote></div>=0A= <div><span>=0A= <div style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: = normal">----- Original Message ----- </div>=0A= <div style=3D"BACKGROUND: rgb(228,228,228) 0% 50%; FONT: 10pt arial; = font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal"><b>From:</b> <a = title=3D"mups1953@yahoo.com" onclick=3D"return = top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" = href=3D"mailto:mups1953@yahoo.com" target=3D"_blank">=0A= mike mueller</a> </div>=0A= <div style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: = normal"><b>To:</b> <a title=3D"nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" = onclick=3D"return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" = href=3D"mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target=3D"_blank">=0A= NSRCA Mailing List</a> </div>=0A= <div style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: = normal"><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, May 14, 2006 11:10 PM </div>=0A= <div style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: = normal"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Two killed by model = airplane</div>=0A= <div><br>&nbsp;</div>=0A= <div>&nbsp;Sad news,it&nbsp;should remind us&nbsp;that were only a = serious accident away from potentially being grounded. We can all say = that we fly safe and yada yada yada but if the radio fails it could be a = disaster. Man I hope this doesn't happen again. I once witnessed = a&nbsp;young girl getting hit by a plane in the 70's&nbsp;and it = still&nbsp;haunts me.=0A= </div>=0A= <div>--Mike<br><b><i>Doug Cronkhite &lt;<a onclick=3D"return = top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href=3D"mailto:seefo@san.rr.com" = target=3D"_blank">seefo@san.rr.com</a>&gt;</i></b> wrote: </div>=0A= <blockquote style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: = rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid">=0A= <div>=0A= <div><font face=3D"Arial" color=3D"navy" size=3D"2"><span = style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Yep.. 4 = others were injured. Looks like it was a 3W Pitts Model 12 that crashed. = The pilot was arrested by police at the scene..=0A= </span></font></div>=0A= <div><font face=3D"Arial" color=3D"navy" size=3D"2"><span = style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: = Arial"></span></font>&nbsp;</div>=0A= <div><font face=3D"Arial" color=3D"navy" size=3D"2"><span = style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: = Arial">-Doug</span></font></div>=0A= <div><font face=3D"Arial" color=3D"navy" size=3D"2"><span = style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: = Arial"></span></font>&nbsp;</div>=0A= <div><font face=3D"Arial" color=3D"navy" size=3D"2"><span = style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: = Arial"></span></font>&nbsp;</div>=0A= <div><font face=3D"Arial" color=3D"navy" size=3D"2"><span = style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: = Arial"></span></font>&nbsp;</div>=0A= <div>=0A= <div style=3D"TEXT-ALIGN: center" align=3D"center"><font face=3D"Times = New Roman" size=3D"3"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">=0A= <hr align=3D"center" width=3D"100%" size=3D"2">=0A= </span></font></div>=0A= <div><b><font face=3D"Tahoma" size=3D"2"><span style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: = bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">From:</span></font></b><font = face=3D"Tahoma" size=3D"2"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: = Tahoma"> <a onclick=3D"return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" = href=3D"mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" = target=3D"_blank">=0A= nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a> [mailto:<a = onclick=3D"return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" = href=3D"mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" = target=3D"_blank">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org=0A= </a>] <b><span style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </span></b>Ed = White<br><b><span style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</span></b> Sunday, = May 14, 2006 7:50 PM<br><b><span style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: = bold">To:</span></b> NSRCA Mailing List=0A= <br><b><span style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</span></b> = [NSRCA-discussion] Two killed by model airplane</span></font></div></div>=0A= <div><font face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"3"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE: = 12pt"></span></font>&nbsp;</div>=0A= <div style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt"><font face=3D"Times New Roman" = size=3D"3"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Yikes.<br><br><a = onclick=3D"return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" = href=3D"http://english.mti.hu/default.asp?menu=3D1&amp;theme=3D2&amp;cat=3D= 25&amp;newsid=3D219887" target=3D"_blank">=0A= http://english.mti.hu/default.asp?menu=3D1&amp;theme=3D2&amp;cat=3D25&amp= ;newsid=3D219887</a><br><br><br><br></span></font></div></div>___________= ____________________________________<br>NSRCA-discussion mailing = list<br><a onclick=3D"return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" = href=3D"mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target=3D"_blank">=0A= NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><br><a onclick=3D"return = top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" = href=3D"http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion" = target=3D"_blank">http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussio= n=0A= </a></blockquote><br></span></div>=0A= <div>=0A= <p></p></div>=0A= <div><span>=0A= <hr size=3D"1">=0A= Yahoo! 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