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<DIV><SPAN class=270530205-15052006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Larry,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT color=#0000ff><FONT size=2><SPAN
class=270530205-15052006> Yeah, you missed all the fun we had with
this last year. Stuff like this always comes up and then it dies out. You just
picked at a scab. Your observations are right in line with mine but sometimes it
takes a while for everyone (or at least most of us) to agree. The main problem
is that the current rules were written before the electrics became really
popular. That's why it doesn't seem to make sense. Unfortunately </SPAN><SPAN
class=270530205-15052006>what would have made sense would have been to weigh the
airplane in a truly Ready to Fly configuration i.e. WITH fuel or WITH
Battery - but that would make a lot of planes that are legal under the current
rules illegal under the more explicit rule (including some of mine). We don't
want to go there (believe me) so just try to lighten up your plane if it bothers
you. Like I said, a heavy plane is not an advantage so why worry about it?
There are guys making weight with 2-meter electrics so I would think that
you shouldn't have too much of a problem. What the current rules are doing is
forcing you to have a lighter airplane with a higher power to weight ratio.
What's so bad about that? My new "lean / mean" (legal) Focus flies better than
the Miss Piggy I had last year. Thank you Mr.
Rulebook.</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT color=#0000ff><FONT size=2><SPAN
class=270530205-15052006>
<P><FONT size=2>John Pavlick<BR><A href="http://www.idseng.com/"
target=_blank>http://www.idseng.com</A><BR> </FONT>
</P></SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT color=#0000ff><FONT size=2><SPAN
class=270530205-15052006></SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT color=#0000ff><FONT size=2><SPAN
class=270530205-15052006></SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT color=#0000ff><FONT size=2><SPAN
class=270530205-15052006> </SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]<B>On Behalf Of
</B>Larry<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, May 15, 2006 12:54 AM<BR><B>To:</B> NSRCA
Mailing List<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] weight limits for
electrics?<BR><BR></DIV></FONT>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Dave,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>You make some good points even tho I don't
necessarily agree with you 100% :)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>One point you brought up is particularly
interesting. It sounds as tho the weight limit was originally intended to
create a "performance parity" as you put it. I'm sure that was intended
to be across the class rather than between electrics and glow/gas</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I agree, that equal weights are not going to
guarantee performance parity as far as power to weight ratio is concerned.
Electrics are beginning to edge into the lead there I think - or will be very
soon. That's going to be even more true as battery technology continues to
develop and improve. If electrics don't have the edge on absolute power, they
do have many other advantages.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>It seems to me the only way to guarantee any kind
of parity in that arena would be to specify a specific max power to weight
ratio. Something that would be doable - weigh the plane, measure max rpm on
the prop being used and do some math and you would have a power to weight at
the prop.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I think I mentioned early on that I could easily
meet the weight limit if I just changed packs. Same power out, slightly
shorter run time (or re-prop and have slightly less power at same run time)
but almost a pound lighter. Its definitely doable at ANY weight. There is
another flyer on RC Groups doing a Quest with a smaller motor and packs. He
will be almost 2 pounds lighter than me, but at less than 1/2 the power to
weight. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Its just a matter of dollars :)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Larry</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=davel322@comcast.net href="mailto:davel322@comcast.net">Dave
Lockhart</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">'NSRCA Mailing List'</A>
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, May 14, 2006 7:31
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] weight
limits for electrics?</DIV>
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<DIV class=Section1>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Larry,</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">WOW! I did step into the middle
of things didn't I? :) </SPAN></FONT><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'"> <FONT
color=navy><SPAN style="COLOR: navy">*********yes, you
did!!!!</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I don't really have a horse in
that race, so I have no informed opinion. I think big bipes might be cool
tho!</SPAN></FONT><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'">*********More
time, more money, more hassle,</SPAN></FONT><FONT face="MS Sans Serif"
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'"> <FONT
color=navy><SPAN style="COLOR: navy">fewer competitors – not
cool!!!<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">2)Is the current weight rule
"fair" to electrics?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">************Yes, it
is fair.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">To me it seems more fair and
reasonable to have a <STRONG><B><FONT face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial">take-off</SPAN></FONT></B></STRONG> weight limit
as the standard rather than a dry weight limit. </SPAN></FONT><FONT
face="MS Sans Serif" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'">*********This
idea does make a lot of sense, but as the electrics have developed (and will
continue to develop), true performance parity is not going to be equal if
equal takeoff weights are used. Just for example, 5 of the 8 F3A
finalists in 2005 at the US NATs were electric – and all under 11 lbs.
Of the 3 glow, I was 10 lbs 10 oz WITH fuel and I think the other 2 glow
were about 11.5 lbs WITH fuel. The electric I am building now will be
about 9.5 lbs WITH lipos, and if I did another glow ship today, it would
probably be 10.25 WITH fuel.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Regards,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><BR>Dave
Lockhart<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><A
href="mailto:DaveL322@comcast.net">DaveL322@comcast.net</A><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">----- Original Message -----
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV style="font-color: black">
<P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4"><B><FONT face=Arial
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <A
title=troy_newman@msn.com href="mailto:troy_newman@msn.com">Troy A.
Newman</A> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">To:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA Mailing List</A>
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Sent:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">
Sunday, May 14, 2006 12:42 AM<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Subject:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] weight limits for
electrics?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Reality is the <st1:place
w:st="on">Battery</st1:place> is not the fuel. It is the fuel tank. It
holds the fuel.</SPAN></FONT><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">This is the way FAI has
decided to handle the situation, and as a result the AMA pattern folks
have decided to follow suit. Right or wrong it is the way it is.
</SPAN></FONT><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><snip></SPAN></FONT><FONT
face="MS Sans Serif" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Remember this is toy airplanes
and its for fun. Anybody that throws a fit about a guy winning with an
illegal (overweight) model should have to answer to the firing
squad.</SPAN></FONT><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Troy Newman</SPAN></FONT><FONT
face="MS Sans Serif" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">----- Original Message -----
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV style="font-color: black">
<P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4"><B><FONT face=Arial
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <A
title=ledunn@centurytel.net
href="mailto:ledunn@centurytel.net">Larry</A>
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">To:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <A
title=patternrules@earthlink.net
href="mailto:patternrules@earthlink.net">patternrules@earthlink.net</A>
; <A title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA Mailing List</A>
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Sent:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">
Saturday, May 13, 2006 8:30 PM<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Subject:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] weight limits for
electrics?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Hi Steve,</SPAN></FONT><FONT
face="MS Sans Serif" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">That's pretty much what
everyone tells me so far, but it doesn't sit quite rite. Makes me feel
like I will be cheating and getting away with it because no one
checks.</SPAN></FONT><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">It also seems like there is
a double standard here and that the rules need to be re-evaluated.
</SPAN></FONT><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">A glow plane that weighs 5kg
empty will definitely have a take off weight HIGHER than mine and
yet it would be legal and I am not. It might even have a landing weight
higher than mine depending on the size of the tank and length of the
routine.</SPAN></FONT><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I wonder if anyone is
looking at this as more and more electrics are getting into all aspects
of the hobby.</SPAN></FONT><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I just saw in the Apr
Kfactor in the D8 column, someone did a conversion and has similar
issues - slightly over the 5KG limit with batteries
installed.</SPAN></FONT><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">It seems to me that
batteries should be considered "fuel" and not count towards the total
weight OR that take off weight should be the determining
factor.</SPAN></FONT><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Ofcourse, as I said, I am a
100% newbie here. Haven't even flown in one contest yet
:)</SPAN></FONT><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Larry</SPAN></FONT><FONT
face="MS Sans Serif" size=2><SPAN
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">----- Original Message
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<P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4"><B><FONT face=Arial
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">
<A title=patternrules@earthlink.net
href="mailto:patternrules@earthlink.net">Steven Maxwell</A>
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">To:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">
<A title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA Mailing List</A>
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Sent:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">
Saturday, May 13, 2006 7:53 PM<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Subject:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">
Re: [NSRCA-discussion] weight limits for
electrics?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'"> I wouldn't
worry about the weight. A little story to go along with that. At the
1984 Tangerine, one of the 3 top rated contest in the conutry then
(Nat's and Rough River) my last conest as a sportsman thats when we
had novice,I was winning by a slight margin, the last round on Sunday
I got beat out of first by .07 point, so I got second, the 3rd place
guy said that the winner had an illegal airplane, slightly over
weight, and wanted me to protest, I told him that the guy beat me
flying not because he had an overweight plane, and that if he wanted
to protest do it his self, he didn't and the ending was finaI. I
had already talked to the guy and he said his self that it probably
was over weight, real nice about it (EU1A) not the first one of those
that didn't make weight.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'"> So the
story goes I don't remember either of the persons names, I do remember
it as a fond memory, but I bet nobody can give me either persons
names, 22 years later. My first journey to a big contest with no one
along for the ride or to fly, just me it was a
ball.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'"> So don't
worry about unless you plane on placing at Nats then you need to make
weight.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'">Steven
Maxwell<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">----- Original Message
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<P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4"><B><FONT face=Arial
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">
<A title=ledunn@centurytel.net
href="mailto:ledunn@centurytel.net">Larry</A>
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">To:
</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Sent:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">
5/13/2006 10:34:53 PM <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Subject:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">
[NSRCA-discussion] weight limits for
electrics?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Hi
all,</SPAN></FONT><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I am brand new to NSRCA
and pattern flying in general. I am planning to attend my first ever
event later this month.</SPAN></FONT><FONT face="MS Sans Serif"
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I noticed in the rules
that the weight limit is 5Kg <EM><I><U><FONT face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial">without
fuel.</SPAN></FONT></U></I></EM></SPAN></FONT><FONT
face="MS Sans Serif" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">How does this apply as
far as electric powered planes are concerned? Are the batteries
considered the fuel?</SPAN></FONT><FONT face="MS Sans Serif"
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I am asking because my
plane is a Quest 90 G2 converted to electric power and it
weighs 4.04 Kg "dry" (no batteries) but it weighs 5.33 Kg fully
"fueled" with batteries installed.</SPAN></FONT><FONT
face="MS Sans Serif" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I have asked about this
on RC Groups and been told not to worry, no one weighs planes except
at the NATS.</SPAN></FONT><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Has there been any
official word on this? I don't want to feel like I'm cheating in a
contest or "getting away" with something.</SPAN></FONT><FONT
face="MS Sans Serif" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" size=2><SPAN
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Thanks!</SPAN></FONT><FONT
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