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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>“Bigger” and more complex planes = more
cost….hmmmmm…<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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Dave<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Rex LESHER<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Sunday, May 14, 2006 11:03
PM<br>
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
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style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans";color:black'>The only thing
I've seen that stopped the spread of the Double Vision, was the cost.
$2600 for the kit was a bit extreme. Then you have to build it.
Especially when you have all the ready made planes available for about half
that price. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans";color:black'>Hey <st1:country-region
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Chad</st1:place></st1:country-region>, See you
at the DAM next weekend.... Looking forward to it. Looks like we'll
bring 4-6 flyers up for it...<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
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color:black'> <a href="mailto:chad@f3acanada.org"
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color:black'> <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"
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color:black'> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] weight limits for electrics?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Lucida Sans"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans";color:black'>Lest we not
forget that bipes placed 2nd and 4th at the 2005 World <br>
Champs......they are not everywhere....yet....increasing the weight <br>
limit will only open the door for their development.<br>
<br>
<st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Chad</st1:place></st1:country-region><br>
<br>
<a href="mailto:jivey61@bellsouth.net" title="mailto:jivey61@bellsouth.net">jivey61@bellsouth.net</a>
wrote:<br>
<br>
> Dave<br>
> I agree and didn't Chip do this and it didn't take hold and stay <br>
> around for long.<br>
> Jim Ivey<br>
><br>
> ----- Original Message -----<br>
> *From:* Dave Lockhart <<a
href="mailto:davel322@comcast.net" title="mailto:davel322@comcast.net">mailto:davel322@comcast.net</a>><br>
> *To:* '<st1:PersonName w:st="on">NSRCA Mailing
List</st1:PersonName>' <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"
title="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>><br>
> *Sent:* Sunday, May 14, 2006 10:19 PM<br>
> *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-discussion] weight limits
for electrics?<br>
><br>
> Yes they are a PIA and I don’t want to spend the
extra time either.<br>
><br>
> IMAC essentially has no limits, excepting the AMA
55 lb limit<br>
> which is not really a factor.<br>
><br>
> Bigger flies better, period. If an IMAC guy went
through the fuss<br>
> to build the monstrous bipe with wingspan similar
to the big<br>
> monoplanes, it would be “bigger” and it would fly
better. No one<br>
> wants to deal with that hassle and expense.<br>
><br>
> A 2M bipe is bigger than a 2M monoplane. The 2M
being bigger will<br>
> fly better, period. And it will be more expense
and it will result<br>
> in some number of current day pattern competitors
leaving the event.<br>
><br>
> Regards,<br>
><br>
><br>
> Dave Lockhart<br>
><br>
> <a href="mailto:DaveL322@comcast.net"
title="mailto:DaveL322@comcast.net">DaveL322@comcast.net</a><br>
><br>
>
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><br>
> *From:* <a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org"
title="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a><br>
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]
*On Behalf Of<br>
> *Robert Mairs<br>
> *Sent:* Sunday, May 14, 2006 9:26 PM<br>
> *To:* <st1:PersonName w:st="on">NSRCA Mailing List</st1:PersonName><br>
> *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-discussion] weight limits
for electrics?<br>
><br>
> I don't buy into the bipe theory. Bipes are a PIA.
I wouldn't want<br>
> to spend a half hour setting up and tearing down
every day I went<br>
> out flying. If bipes are so dominating why don't
you see them on<br>
> the IMAC circuit? They don't have any size or
weight restrictions<br>
> and they strive for the same type performance we
do, yet they're a<br>
> rarity. They're nice to see and may show up, but a
flight line<br>
> full of bipes, I doubt it.<br>
><br>
> ----- Original Message
-----<br>
><br>
> *From:* Stuart Chale <<a
href="mailto:schale@optonline.net" title="mailto:schale@optonline.net">mailto:schale@optonline.net</a>><br>
><br>
> *To:* '<st1:PersonName
w:st="on">NSRCA Mailing List</st1:PersonName>'<br>
> <<a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"
title="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>><br>
><br>
> *Sent:* Sunday, May 14,
2006 8:57 PM<br>
><br>
> *Subject:* Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] weight limits for electrics?<br>
><br>
> Any time a limit has been
relaxed; there has been a change in<br>
> airplane size and or
design. It is not necessarily immediate<br>
> but technology seems to
adapt to the new limits. Just try to<br>
> fly one of your 2M designs
with a piped 60, or even a 120 4C.<br>
> When 4C limits were
increased to 1.2 cubic inches nothing<br>
> changed. Some brave folks
tried 4C but it didn’t work until YS<br>
> came out with a 4C engine
that was more powerful than a 60 2C<br>
> engine. Then the planes
took a step larger and heavier. When<br>
> the engine limit was
removed planes got larger again. 120 AC<br>
> engines were now only good
for the beginner classes. (An<br>
> oversimplification). Right
now the weight limit works. Yes it<br>
> is a bit harder to make a
2M pattern plane come in under 5 kg<br>
> when made electric but it
can be done. A gas engine 2M may be<br>
> even more difficult.
Relaxing the weight limit will make it<br>
> easier for an electric
conversion to make weight and make a<br>
> gas powered version more
feasible. But new designs will now<br>
> show up pushing the new
limits. The obvious direction is a 2 M<br>
> bipe. A 14 pound 2 M bipe
may present better than a monoplane,<br>
> maybe not. If it does then
everyone will “need” or at least<br>
> want one. If people want
to try something new and bigger then<br>
> scrap the weight limit. If
not then relaxing the weight limit<br>
> to fit today’s problems
will have undesirable effects tomorrow J<br>
><br>
> Stuart Chale<br>
><br>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>
><br>
> *From:* <a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org"
title="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a><br>
>
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] *On Behalf<br>
> Of <a
href="mailto:*vicenterc@comcast.net" title="mailto:*vicenterc@comcast.net">*vicenterc@comcast.net</a><br>
> *Sent:* Sunday, May 14,
2006 8:06 PM<br>
> *To:* <st1:PersonName
w:st="on">NSRCA Mailing List</st1:PersonName>; <st1:PersonName w:st="on">NSRCA
Mailing List</st1:PersonName><br>
> *Subject:* Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] weight limits for electrics?<br>
><br>
> I understood that the
definition of model airplane states that<br>
> weigh has to be below 5
Kg. That is consider international.<br>
> The only exception is the
scale that is a little higher. I am<br>
> not sure if this single
reason is going to make difficult to<br>
> change the rule for F3A.
For sure is going to help the gas<br>
> engines. I don't think
electric power plants are having a<br>
> weigh problem.<br>
><br>
> Vicente Bortone<br>
><br>
>
-------------- Original message --------------<br>
>
From: "John Ferrell" <<a href="mailto:johnferrell@earthlink.net"
title="mailto:johnferrell@earthlink.net">johnferrell@earthlink.net</a>><br>
><br>
>
Yummy! Big Biplanes are coming in quantity!<br>
><br>
>
John Ferrell W8CCW<br>
>
"My Competition is not my enemy"<br>
> <a
href="http://DixieNC.US" title="http://dixienc.us/">http://DixieNC.US</a> <<a
href="http://dixienc.us/" title="http://dixienc.us/">http://dixienc.us/</a>><br>
><br>
>
----- Original Message -----<br>
><br>
>
*From:* Bdrtschiger Urs<br>
>
<<a href="mailto:baertschiger-tai@bluewin.ch"
title="mailto:baertschiger-tai@bluewin.ch">mailto:baertschiger-tai@bluewin.ch</a>><br>
><br>
>
*To:* <st1:PersonName w:st="on">NSRCA Mailing List</st1:PersonName><br>
>
<<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"
title="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>><br>
><br>
>
*Sent:* Sunday, May 14, 2006 5:17 AM<br>
><br>
>
*Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-discussion] weight limits for<br>
>
electrics?<br>
><br>
>
This subject has been adressed officially. Based on<br>
>
what I have been told, the weight limit for F3A will<br>
>
be dropped with the next rules changes. What will<br>
>
remain however, is the 2M by 2M box.<br>
><br>
>
Urs<br>
><br>
>
NSRCA #3069<br>
><br>
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><br>
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