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<DIV>The only thing I've seen that stopped the spread of the Double Vision, was
the cost. $2600 for the kit was a bit extreme. Then you have to
build it. Especially when you have all the ready made planes available for
about half that price. </DIV>
<DIV>Hey Chad, See you at the DAM next weekend.... Looking forward to
it. Looks like we'll bring 4-6 flyers up for it...</DIV>
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<DIV>Rex</DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>From:</B> <A title=mailto:chad@f3acanada.org
href="mailto:chad@f3acanada.org">Chad Northeast</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, May 14, 2006 7:44 PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] weight
limits for electrics?</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Lest we not forget that bipes placed 2nd and 4th at the 2005
World <BR>Champs......they are not everywhere....yet....increasing the weight
<BR>limit will only open the door for their development.<BR><BR>Chad<BR><BR><A
title=mailto:jivey61@bellsouth.net
href="mailto:jivey61@bellsouth.net">jivey61@bellsouth.net</A>
wrote:<BR><BR>> Dave<BR>> I agree and didn't Chip do this and it didn't
take hold and stay <BR>> around for long.<BR>> Jim
Ivey<BR>><BR>> ----- Original Message
-----<BR>> *From:* Dave Lockhart <<A
title=mailto:davel322@comcast.net
href="mailto:davel322@comcast.net">mailto:davel322@comcast.net</A>><BR>>
*To:* 'NSRCA Mailing List' <<A
title=mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A>><BR>>
*Sent:* Sunday, May 14, 2006 10:19 PM<BR>>
*Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-discussion] weight limits for
electrics?<BR>><BR>> Yes they are a PIA and I
don’t want to spend the extra time
either.<BR>><BR>> IMAC essentially has no
limits, excepting the AMA 55 lb limit<BR>> which is
not really a factor.<BR>><BR>> Bigger flies
better, period. If an IMAC guy went through the
fuss<BR>> to build the monstrous bipe with wingspan
similar to the big<BR>> monoplanes, it would be
“bigger” and it would fly better. No one<BR>> wants
to deal with that hassle and expense.<BR>><BR>>
A 2M bipe is bigger than a 2M monoplane. The 2M being bigger
will<BR>> fly better, period. And it will be more
expense and it will result<BR>> in some number of
current day pattern competitors leaving the
event.<BR>><BR>>
Regards,<BR>><BR>><BR>> Dave
Lockhart<BR>><BR>> <A
title=mailto:DaveL322@comcast.net
href="mailto:DaveL322@comcast.net">DaveL322@comcast.net</A><BR>><BR>>
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href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</A><BR>>
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] *On Behalf
Of<BR>> *Robert
Mairs<BR>> *Sent:* Sunday, May 14, 2006 9:26
PM<BR>> *To:* NSRCA Mailing
List<BR>> *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-discussion] weight
limits for electrics?<BR>><BR>> I don't buy into
the bipe theory. Bipes are a PIA. I wouldn't
want<BR>> to spend a half hour setting up and
tearing down every day I went<BR>> out flying. If
bipes are so dominating why don't you see them
on<BR>> the IMAC circuit? They don't have any size
or weight restrictions<BR>> and they strive for the
same type performance we do, yet they're a<BR>>
rarity. They're nice to see and may show up, but a flight
line<BR>> full of bipes, I doubt
it.<BR>><BR>> -----
Original Message
-----<BR>><BR>> *From:*
Stuart Chale <<A title=mailto:schale@optonline.net
href="mailto:schale@optonline.net">mailto:schale@optonline.net</A>><BR>><BR>>
*To:* 'NSRCA Mailing
List'<BR>> <<A
title=mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A>><BR>><BR>>
*Sent:* Sunday, May 14, 2006 8:57
PM<BR>><BR>> *Subject:*
Re: [NSRCA-discussion] weight limits for
electrics?<BR>><BR>> Any
time a limit has been relaxed; there has been a change
in<BR>> airplane size and
or design. It is not necessarily
immediate<BR>> but
technology seems to adapt to the new limits. Just try
to<BR>> fly one of your 2M
designs with a piped 60, or even a 120
4C.<BR>> When 4C limits
were increased to 1.2 cubic inches
nothing<BR>> changed. Some
brave folks tried 4C but it didn’t work until
YS<BR>> came out with a 4C
engine that was more powerful than a 60
2C<BR>> engine. Then the
planes took a step larger and heavier.
When<BR>> the engine limit
was removed planes got larger again. 120
AC<BR>> engines were now
only good for the beginner classes.
(An<BR>>
oversimplification). Right now the weight limit works. Yes
it<BR>> is a bit harder to
make a 2M pattern plane come in under 5
kg<BR>> when made electric
but it can be done. A gas engine 2M may
be<BR>> even more
difficult. Relaxing the weight limit will make
it<BR>> easier for an
electric conversion to make weight and make
a<BR>> gas powered version
more feasible. But new designs will
now<BR>> show up pushing
the new limits. The obvious direction is a 2
M<BR>> bipe. A 14 pound 2 M
bipe may present better than a
monoplane,<BR>> maybe not.
If it does then everyone will “need” or at
least<BR>> want one. If
people want to try something new and bigger
then<BR>> scrap the weight
limit. If not then relaxing the weight
limit<BR>> to fit today’s
problems will have undesirable effects tomorrow
J<BR>><BR>> Stuart
Chale<BR>><BR>>
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href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</A><BR>>
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] *On
Behalf<BR>> Of <A
title=mailto:*vicenterc@comcast.net
href="mailto:*vicenterc@comcast.net">*vicenterc@comcast.net</A><BR>>
*Sent:* Sunday, May 14, 2006 8:06
PM<BR>> *To:* NSRCA Mailing
List; NSRCA Mailing
List<BR>> *Subject:* Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] weight limits for
electrics?<BR>><BR>> I
understood that the definition of model airplane states
that<BR>> weigh has to be
below 5 Kg. That is consider
international.<BR>> The
only exception is the scale that is a little higher. I
am<BR>> not sure if this
single reason is going to make difficult
to<BR>> change the rule for
F3A. For sure is going to help the
gas<BR>> engines. I don't
think electric power plants are having
a<BR>> weigh
problem.<BR>><BR>>
Vicente
Bortone<BR>><BR>>
-------------- Original message
--------------<BR>>
From: "John Ferrell" <<A title=mailto:johnferrell@earthlink.net
href="mailto:johnferrell@earthlink.net">johnferrell@earthlink.net</A>><BR>><BR>>
Yummy! Big Biplanes are coming in
quantity!<BR>><BR>>
John Ferrell
W8CCW<BR>>
"My Competition is not my
enemy"<BR>>
<A title=http://dixienc.us/ href="http://DixieNC.US">http://DixieNC.US</A>
<<A title=http://dixienc.us/
href="http://dixienc.us/">http://dixienc.us/</A>><BR>><BR>>
----- Original Message
-----<BR>><BR>>
*From:* Bdrtschiger
Urs<BR>>
<<A title=mailto:baertschiger-tai@bluewin.ch
href="mailto:baertschiger-tai@bluewin.ch">mailto:baertschiger-tai@bluewin.ch</A>><BR>><BR>>
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List<BR>>
<<A title=mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A>><BR>><BR>>
*Sent:* Sunday, May 14, 2006 5:17
AM<BR>><BR>>
*Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-discussion] weight limits
for<BR>>
electrics?<BR>><BR>>
This subject has been adressed officially. Based
on<BR>>
what I have been told, the weight limit for F3A
will<BR>>
be dropped with the next rules changes. What
will<BR>>
remain however, is the 2M by 2M
box.<BR>><BR>>
Urs<BR>><BR>>
NSRCA #3069<BR>><BR>>
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