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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Hi Steve,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>That's pretty much what everyone tells me so far, but it
doesn't sit quite rite. Makes me feel like I will be cheating and getting away
with it because no one checks.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>It also seems like there is a double standard
here and that the rules need to be re-evaluated. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>A glow plane that weighs 5kg empty will definitely
have a take off weight HIGHER than mine and yet it would be legal and I am not.
It might even have a landing weight higher than mine depending on the size of
the tank and length of the routine.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>I wonder if anyone is looking at this as more and more
electrics are getting into all aspects of the hobby.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>I just saw in the Apr Kfactor in the D8 column, someone
did a conversion and has similar issues - slightly over the 5KG limit with
batteries installed.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>It seems to me that batteries should be considered "fuel"
and not count towards the total weight OR that take off weight should be the
determining factor.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Ofcourse, as I said, I am a 100% newbie here. Haven't even
flown in one contest yet :)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Larry</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, May 13, 2006 7:53
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] weight
limits for electrics?</DIV>
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<DIV> I wouldn't worry about the weight. A little story to go along with
that. At the 1984 Tangerine, one of the 3 top rated contest in the conutry
then (Nat's and Rough River) my last conest as a sportsman thats when we had
novice,I was winning by a slight margin, the last round on Sunday I got beat
out of first by .07 point, so I got second, the 3rd place guy said that the
winner had an illegal airplane, slightly over weight, and wanted me to
protest, I told him that the guy beat me flying not because he had an
overweight plane, and that if he wanted to protest do it his self, he didn't
and the ending was finaI. I had already talked to the guy and he said his
self that it probably was over weight, real nice about it (EU1A) not the first
one of those that didn't make weight.</DIV>
<DIV> So the story goes I don't remember either of the persons names, I
do remember it as a fond memory, but I bet nobody can give me either persons
names, 22 years later. My first journey to a big contest with no one along for
the ride or to fly, just me it was a ball.</DIV>
<DIV> So don't worry about unless you plane on placing at Nats then you
need to make weight.</DIV>
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<DIV>Steven Maxwell</DIV>
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<A title=ledunn@centurytel.net href="mailto:ledunn@centurytel.net">Larry</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To: </B><A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> 5/13/2006 10:34:53 PM </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [NSRCA-discussion] weight
limits for electrics?</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi all,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I am brand new to NSRCA and pattern flying in
general. I am planning to attend my first ever event later this
month.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I noticed in the rules that the weight limit is
5Kg <EM><U>without fuel.</U></EM></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><EM><U><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT></U></EM> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>How does this apply as far as electric powered
planes are concerned? Are the batteries considered the fuel?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I am asking because my plane is a Quest 90 G2
converted to electric power and it weighs 4.04 Kg "dry" (no batteries)
but it weighs 5.33 Kg fully "fueled" with batteries installed.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I have asked about this on RC Groups and been
told not to worry, no one weighs planes except at the NATS.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Has there been any official word on this? I
don't want to feel like I'm cheating in a contest or "getting away" with
something.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Thanks!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Larry</FONT></DIV></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE>
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