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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original Message-----<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b>
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Ed Alt<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Saturday, May 13, 2006 8:10
PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> NSRCA Mailing List<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Air Breaks</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>I suspect that the main reason the
spoilerons (?) help in crosswind and gusty conditions is that you are naturally
carrying more speed to hit your landing target and you can maintain better roll
control as a result. Maybe there are other factors, but I do know that I
land a little faster and more accurately with them.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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href="mailto:divesplat@yahoo.com" title="divesplat@yahoo.com">Ed Deaver</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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May 13, 2006 7:49 PM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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[NSRCA-discussion] Air Breaks<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'>I use the "spoilers" as we call them a
little different than has been mentioned. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Use 10-25% up ailerons but I don't mix in any
Elevator. My reasons are simple, don't need it for landing. As I am
flying the downwind leg and activate the spoilers the plane pitches up, and
actually have used them for spins on very calm days, but as soon as the plane
slows down a bit it flies level. For me to add the mix in destroys the
glide path I like.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>The spoilers do have a very noticeable effect on cross
wind landings suprisingly, eliminating a lot of the choppy effect but I don't
understand why.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Have done this method on 3 different style planes all
with the same result.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>ed<br>
<br>
<b><i><span style='font-weight:bold;font-style:italic'>John Pavlick
<jpavlick@idseng.com></span></i></b> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'>Bill,<br>
What plane are you trying this on? I have my both my Focii set up with this<br>
and I like it. I use ailerons up and down elevator. In Futaba land I have<br>
+30% Flaps (ailerons up) [= ~ 5 degrees] and -20% elevator (down) but you'll<br>
need to experiment. On some planes I use very little down elevator in the<br>
mix, I just do it manually when I land. I found that using the
"airbrakes"<br>
helps me to be able to transition into a nearly flared condition very early<br>
on final without worrying about any tip stalling. You basically head<br>
downwind, chop the power, hit the airbrakes and point the nose down. When<br>
you get close, start to raise the nose and bleed off speed. You can then<br>
drag the plane to the mark with a little power if you need to. Try it at a<br>
field where you have some room. You may find that you undershoot the first<br>
few landings until you get used to how the plane comes down with the<br>
airbrakes on.<br>
<br>
John Pavlick<br>
http://www.idseng.com<br>
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> -----Original Message-----<br>
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org<br>
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]On Behalf Of<br>
> Bill Markovitz<br>
> Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2006 10:00 AM<br>
> To: nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<br>
> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Air Breaks<br>
><br>
><br>
> I'm interested in using the air brake function for<br>
> slower and more controlled landings. Any suggestions<br>
> for a starting point on the aileron and elevator<br>
> throws would be appreciated. Is it better to have the<br>
> ailerons up and the elevator down or the ailerons down<br>
> and the elevator up?<br>
><br>
> Thanks, Bill :)<br>
><br>
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