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<DIV><SPAN class=190405204-14052006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Larry,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=190405204-14052006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2> Sounds like you're doing fine. You are not over-powered by any
means. No such thing as too much power - it's like saying you have too much
money! All kidding aside, 200W / lb. is OK for pattern, but by no means
excessive (as I found out when I set up my Oxalys 50 electric). An OS 160
is about 2800 Watts. Oh yeah - now that's POWER. I fly that setup in
Intermediate but I also fly Advanced in practice. For Sportsman you don't
need as much power but in the Advanced sequence you'll be working real hard to
make corners at the top of vertical segments unless you have lotsa pull. Don't
forget, almost all pattern contests are flown in windy conditions (don't know
why it always seems to work out that way, but it does). Windy conditions need
more power. Now don't forget, if you lighten up the plane but still maintain the
power output you'll have more than 200W / lb. AND a plane that feels better on
the sticks. I would try to science out the batteries but don't let that hold you
back. Go out, fly and enjoy your first contest. You'll do better than you think.
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<DIV><SPAN class=190405204-14052006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2> Oh- You announce your take off and then you take off into
the wind (no duh!) after which you make the procedure turn (90 degrees in one
direction, then 270 in the opposite direction). Now you're headed downwind
parallel to the flight line. This is your "free" trim pass. Make sure the plane
is flying hands off. This part of your flight is not scored so make sure the
plane is trimmed NOW. You then need to turn around to head upwind and get into
the box. The best maneuver for this is the 1/2 reverse Cuban 8. Don't do a stall
turn! Do a 1/2 Cuban of some kind. Now, make sure you're about 150 meters (or
slightly less) away from the flight line and get your wings level. When you
reach the box marker call "In the box". That's it. Fly your sequence and may the
Force be with you! Let us all know how you do at your first contest. I'm sure
you'll have a lot of fun. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<P><FONT size=2>John Pavlick<BR><A href="http://www.idseng.com"
target=_blank>http://www.idseng.com</A></FONT></P> </DIV></SPAN>
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<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma><FONT size=2><SPAN
class=190405204-14052006> </SPAN>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]<B>On Behalf Of
</B>Larry<BR><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, May 14, 2006 12:02 AM<BR><B>To:</B> NSRCA
Mailing List<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] weight limits for
electrics?<BR><BR></DIV></FONT></FONT>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi John,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I am going to the Seattle, Washington, RAMS
club annual pattern contest on June 10,11. <A
href="http://www.seattlerams.com/">http://www.seattlerams.com/</A></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I am looking forward to it even tho I have yet to
actually fly a complete pattern sequence even remotely correctly or in any way
smoothly :) I'm still not 100% sure how to get from "take off" to "in the box"
for the first maneuver!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The Quest flew its 3rd thru 5th flights today in
moderate gusty winds. It handles very well so I am encouraged.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Your comments about the extra weight actually
being a handicap make me feel better. I hadn't thought of it that way and that
makes a lot of sense.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I have already looked at ways to shave some
weight. Between wheel pants and some other small things, I could easily cut 3
to 4 ounces. To get the rest of it I will need a different battery
pack.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The pack I'm flying now weighs about 45 oz . It
is a 10S1P 5000 pack of the new 20-30C cells from Enerland
(Pollyquest,Hyperion,Tanic). They are relatively heavy compared to
ThunderPower Prolites. I could easily save well over a pound if I went to
10S2P Prolite 4200 pack. That wouldn't be a problem power wise or time wise
because I could easily prop down to get the same or longer run times. I'm
grossly over powered now. Peak power out is around 2280 watts with the current
setup. - about 200 watts per pound. Way more than needed for pattern flying.
It sure is fun hearing people go "Wow! That's electric???" when I take off and
go vertical :)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The problem with new, lighter packs is
mainly cost. I'm looking at close to $500 per pack. I don't plan to make it to
the NATS any time soon, so I guess I wont worry about it.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I still think this needs to be addressed
officially tho at some point.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Larry</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>P.S. Thanks to all for the warm
welcomes!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>PPS - I always have my flame suit on - I've been
hanging out on RC Groups for years (VBG)</FONT></DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=jpavlick@idseng.com href="mailto:jpavlick@idseng.com">John
Pavlick</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, May 13, 2006 8:25
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] weight
limits for electrics?</DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=350431003-14052006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Larry,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=350431003-14052006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2> Welcome! In reality, an overweight plane is not an "advantage".
You're not cheating even though the rules say the plane must weigh no more
than 5Kg. You're only making your job harder. It would be in your best
interest to try and lighten it up somehow, but in the meantime don't worry.
We don't usually weigh planes at local contests. If you're flying in
Sportsman then you have nothing at all to worry about. Go to a contest with
the plane exactly the way it is now. When you're there, talk to some
guys about weight saving tips. You will learn a lot. That's what this is all
about. You're 11 oz. overweight. That's pretty severe but I bet you
could shave a lot of it off if you tried. What batteries are you
using? I took 6 oz. off of my Focus (glow powered) with some very
easy mods.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<P><FONT size=2>John Pavlick<BR><A href="http://www.idseng.com"
target=_blank>http://www.idseng.com</A></FONT></P><FONT size=2><FONT
face=Arial color=#0000ff></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<P><SPAN class=350431003-14052006></SPAN><FONT size=2><FONT face=Arial><FONT
color=#0000ff>B<SPAN class=350431003-14052006>TW - What contest are you
going to later this month?</SPAN></FONT></FONT> </FONT>
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<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma><FONT size=2><SPAN
class=350431003-14052006> </SPAN>-----Original
Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]<B>On Behalf Of
</B>Larry<BR><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, May 13, 2006 10:34 PM<BR><B>To:</B>
nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> [NSRCA-discussion]
weight limits for electrics?<BR><BR></DIV></FONT></FONT>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi all,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I am brand new to NSRCA and pattern flying in
general. I am planning to attend my first ever event later this
month.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I noticed in the rules that the weight limit
is 5Kg <EM><U>without fuel.</U></EM></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><EM><U><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT></U></EM> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>How does this apply as far as electric
powered planes are concerned? Are the batteries considered the
fuel?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I am asking because my plane is a Quest 90 G2
converted to electric power and it weighs 4.04 Kg "dry" (no
batteries) but it weighs 5.33 Kg fully "fueled" with batteries
installed.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I have asked about this on RC Groups and been
told not to worry, no one weighs planes except at the NATS.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Has there been any official word on this? I
don't want to feel like I'm cheating in a contest or "getting away" with
something.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Thanks!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Larry</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>
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