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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I often hear ex-pattern competitors and / or those
who are interested but haven't leaped express serious concerns about pattern
judging. It's easy to point out the improvements, score normalization, equal
exposure, NSRCA certification, etc. However, it may well be that we're still
guilty of complacency. Many believe that "name fliers" have an inherent
advantage in front of judges (of course the likely truth is that the name flier
got there by flying well).</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The name of the game is precision - yet we fail to
take advantage of technological tools to improve judging. It's the pilots job to
fly precision maneuvers - shouldn't we use every means available to quantify
that objectively? I know - there are some who believe / preach that "the judge
should have no benefit (in measuring a maneuver) that the pilot doesn't have".
Why? Where does this come from? I do know that when a pilot sees his / her
scores they are sometimes suspicious that the judges didn't have a clue - and
when they judge they see that some pilots don't. The fact remains - when there
are large variations in the score for a given maneuver someone was wrong and the
pilot either benefits or suffers - 'taint fair in either case.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>How hard is it to measure at what distance the
maneuver is flown? We all know that 150 meters to some is 250 to others, a
machine wouldn't vary. How hard is it to verify in or out of box? Pilots that
stay just inside the line often get hammered by judges that haven't accommodated
their perspective of the box, a machine would have only one perspective. How
hard is it to measure maneuver center? Just think - no more discussions of
"where's the middle of x maneuver". Certainly maneuver geometry is quantifiable
- albeit much more difficult. Just think - no more flying poor geometry to
gather "smoothness".</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Many sports use judging / scoring aids - why not
us? We would still need judges for smoothness / gracefulness / correct maneuver
scoring. Wouldn't our game be better if the judges assigned the subjective score
and it was modified appropriately by objective measurements of a machine? Even
the above "name fliers" would have to fly accurately and the proof would be
there when they did!</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The nay sayers will likely bring up the cost issue,
the rules issue, or whatever to keep head in sand. These ideas may be viewed as
radical and certainly can't be implemented overnight - but they can be
implemented if we want. Good examples of what can be done are the excellent
score tabulation programs that are available for little or no cost. I'm sure
that we have the expertise and believe that the Society would do well to
continue to lead the way toward making scoring as accurate (and objective} as
possible.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Earl</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=ehaury@houston.rr.com href="mailto:ehaury@houston.rr.com">Earl
Haury</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA Mailing List</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, April 04, 2006 11:32
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] The
Pilot</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I agree with Dave - pattern is competition, for
many competition against ourselves to improve - rather than other competitors.
</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Pattern growth (lack of) and promotion have been
hashed and re-hashed. Possibly our focus is too narrow, most "plans" revolve
around recruiting other modelers (that have chosen a path), rather than folks
without predefined commitments. The name "Pattern" is poorly descriptive,
grown folks playing with "model airplanes" also suggests something amiss!
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Having competed in marathons (tens of thousands
of folks working very hard for months to punish themselves by running for a
few hours) and triathlon (same - with mega dollar bikes), I don't believe it's
the work or the money or the competition. I think it's likely the overall
image. We can't speak about our sport to "civilians" without a long
description (and maybe a feeling for an alibi). The trick is to make it kool!
What we do is fine - presenting it isn't. I look to my initial motivation - my
interest was in doing neat precise maneuvers with an R/C airplane - I learned
to fly for this specific purpose - competition was / is just a measure of
progress.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I certainly don't have all (any?) of the
answers. A name change might help. Posting individual maneuver scores
(avg.) in real time so that spectators can connect with what's going on might
help. Commentary for spectators might help. I suspect many might object to
even these changes as too provocative. Fine - come up with a better idea.
Eric is right in that we should explore this topic (or be quiet and satisfied
with the status quo).</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Earl</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=DaveL322@comcast.net
href="mailto:DaveL322@comcast.net">DaveL322@comcast.net</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA Mailing List</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, April 04, 2006 10:47
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] The
Pilot</DIV>
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<DIV>Recently, in the US, the idea that "we are all winners" and everyone
should be awarded for participating and trying hard in competive
environments has been propagated in many areas.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>There is no doubt that we could easily create enough categories (Jr,
Sr, Open, unsponsored, over 60, most improved, etc) such that everyone could
be a winner at every pattern contest.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>The take away I saw from the emails from Ed and Matt was pretty simple
- pattern competition is just that - competition. And all competitions
traditionally recognize the top finisher, or the top 3, or top 10%, with
awards/trophies/etc. I'm with Ed and Matt - I like the award system in
pattern the way it is, just my opinion. Promoting pattern and
encouraging growth/participation are a separate issue with many avenues
available outside of awards/trophies/etc, again, just my opinion.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Regards,</DIV>
<DIV><BR>Dave Lockhart</DIV>
<DIV><A href="mailto:DaveL322@comcast.net">DaveL322@comcast.net</A></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Let' not forget that this is a
discussion list, by name and by definition, so please don't be discouraged
by Mat's and similar e-mails, below. Just tell us what you think, it will
encourage others to contribute their ideas. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The idea of creating an NSRCA
discussion-list, based upon the original Eskimo-list, was to tap into
the great pool of pattern knowledge and openly discuss ideas and
issues. In particular share technical tips and product news etc.
Unfortunately we sometimes slip into the behavior of the poor-taste ads
seen these days in political campaigns. I am not immune from making
this mistake, and</FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2> I know how easy
it is to fall into the trap.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Please keep contributing your creative
thoughts and don't allow yourself to be engineered out of the
game.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Regards,<BR><BR>Eric.</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=rcmaster199@aol.com
href="mailto:rcmaster199@aol.com">rcmaster199@aol.com</A> </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, April 03, 2006 11:52
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] The
Pilot</DIV>
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<DIV>Indeed Ed! Do you guys REALLY think that the first guy who placed
just behind all the "Sponsored" pilots and has just be awarded 1st Place
of the AlsoRans believes he came in first??</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Let me add....Give us all a break and deliver us
from.....email. Pure, unadulterated Bovine Skat. Actually I wouldn't
mind a little Ice Cream after the movie as long as I get to wear my
beenie cap</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Matt</DIV> <BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From: Ed Alt
<ed_alt@hotmail.com><BR>To: patternrules@earthlink.net; NSRCA
Mailing List <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><BR>Sent: Mon, 3
Apr 2006 23:36:11 -0400<BR>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] The
Pilot<BR><BR>
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id=AOLMsgPart_0_2a5a4614-115d-4314-bfdd-3c67aab1d8ac><PRE><TT>I didn't know we had such a big issue re. sponsored Intermediate/Advanced
guys beating up on everyone else. C'mon guys, this is starting to sound
like what they've done to Tee-Ball. There's no losers, you're all winners.
No red ink when grading Johnnie's test in school either, it might hurt his
self esteem. Aaaarggh!
I have the answer. The CD should take ALL the flyers out for ice cream
after the contest.
Ed
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steven Maxwell" <<A href="mailto:patternrules%40earthlink.net">patternrules@earthlink.net</A>>
To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <<A href="mailto:nsrca-discussion%40lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A>>
Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 11:24 PM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] The Pilot
> Now that's not a bad idea Eric, plagues aren't that much and if they place
> that high will probably only be once, they'll probably get sponsors after
> that.
>
> Steven Maxwell
>
>
>
>
>> [Original Message]
>> From: Grow Pattern <<A href="mailto:pattern4u%40comcast.net">pattern4u@comcast.net</A>>
>> To: NSRCA Mailing List <<A href="mailto:nsrca-discussion%40lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A>>
>> Date: 4/3/2006 10:38:33 PM
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] The Pilot
>>
>> BTW - in my original postings I was only leading to suggesting the
> thought
>> that the winners who are not sponsored should be recognized within a
> class
>> and or given their own "highest amateur award, or something like that.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Eric.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "White, Chris" <<A href="mailto:chris%40ssd.fsi.com">chris@ssd.fsi.com</A>>
>> To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <<A href="mailto:nsrca-discussion%40lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A>>
>> Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 2:54 PM
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] The Pilot
>>
>>
>> >I wish to offend no one, but wanted to give another perspective.
>> >
>> > I'm SURE that sponsorship is an advantage....but it is still up to the
>> > pilot to get out there and practice with determination and the intent
>> > to
>> > be the best he can be. Yeah, I wish I didn't have to risk so much
>> > money
>> > every time that bird goes in the air. But, sponsorship probably doesn't
>> > buy personal satisfaction for many. We are all trying to be the best
>> > we
>> > can even if our funds or participation is limited. We are striving for
>> > that perfect flight, for equipment that is reliable, for airplanes that
>> > keep getting better, for friendships that grow & grow. We could
>> > probably
>> > spend far less money and buy trophies or plaques...but the real value
>> > in
>> > competition is FUN....FUN....FUN. It doesn't seem to matter where I've
>> > been...I've had a great time and everyone helps everyone get their
>> > rounds in...even if they know that pilot could beat them out of that
>> > round. Never have I seen so many good people, trying so hard to become
>> > their personal best no matter what their interest in competition. Some
>> > guys are striving to be the best pilots, best designers, best builders,
>> > best innovators...but mainly they are trying to see that competition
>> > flying stays healthy and will do their dead-level best to promote
>> > anyone
>> > to their best. I haven't flown with anyone I didn't like, admire or
>> > respect in one way or another. Sponsors...please keep sponsoring...may
>> > you sell tons of stuff and may the sport live on and prosper. Thanks
>> > to
>> > anyone who encourages another...that is what makes the sport grow. I've
>> > been blessed to see few sour grapes....most of the guys are just glad
>> > to
>> > spend a weekend flying their best with friends, family and new
>> > acquaintances.
>> >
>> > To all the sponsored guys....thanks for your promotion, hard work, and
>> > for showing us your skills. I love to watch good flying regardless of
>> > who's doing it, or how many advantages they may have...more power to
>> > you! I was fortunate enough to spend a nats next door to Quique and
>> > his
>> > family. I caught Quique at his van checking equipment, as I was doing,
>> > and we talked for a while. I discovered that this great pilot loves
>> > all
>> > this stuff just like I do.... You top guys just keep flying pretty and
>> > we'll always have something to aim for....:) Oh, and along the
>> > way...thanks for the show!
>> >
>> > "It's not the destination, It's the Journey" (What makes the journey
>> > worthwhile?)
>> >
>> > In any case, I wish to participate to any degree that I can. Sometimes
>> > when I'm practicing I see something come together really well and it
>> > makes me feel precise..and I'm like: "Yeah baby"....that's why I like
>> > to
>> > fly pattern!
>> >
>> > Chris
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: <A href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces%40lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</A>
>> > [<A href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces%40lists.nsrca.org">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</A>] On Behalf Of Michael
>> > Wickizer
>> > Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 12:49 PM
>> > To: <A href="mailto:nsrca-discussion%40lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A>
>> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] The Pilot
>> >
>> > How many pilots in Intermediate and Advanced have an advantage due to
>> > sponsorship?
>> >
>> >
>> >>From: "Del K. Rykert" <<A href="mailto:drykert2%40rochester.rr.com">drykert2@rochester.rr.com</A>>
>> >>Reply-To: NSRCA Mailing List <<A href="mailto:nsrca-discussion%40lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A>>
>> >>To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <<A href="mailto:nsrca-discussion%40lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A>>
>> >>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] The Pilot
>> >>Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 11:42:13 -0400
>> >>
>> >>Sponsorship does have negative aspects also Nat. Well true, that the
>> >>majority of sponsored pilots have garnered their sponsorship through
>> > their
>> >>genuine ability this has not always been the case. Sponsorship, can
>> > give
>> >>some pilots, if all other things are equal regarding skill an
>> > advantage. Is
>> >>very similar to the argument that it is not the equipment... BUT the
>> > skill
>> >>of the pilot that is truly the difference. The truth is better
>> > equipment,
>> >>whether obtained through ones own pockets that may be deeper than
>> > others or
>> >>through sponsorship does make the workload less for the competitive
>> > pilot
>> >>so they can focus more of their energy on improving their skills. The
>> >>disadvantaged always have a harder time overcoming obstacles that money
>> > or
>> >>sponsorship does allow. IMHO.
>> >> The raw numbers of competitors is low enough without making a new
>> >>group of sponsored pilots. But it might help if sponsored pilots were
>> > only
>> >>allowed in the Masters & FAI classes if there ever was a need to
>> > address
>> >>the issue.
>> >>
>> >> Del
>> >> nsrca - 473
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> From: Nat Penton
>> >> To: NSRCA Mailing List
>> >> Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2006 5:29 PM
>> >> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] The Pilot
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> The sponsored pilot received his sponsorship because of his skill
>> > and
>> >>dedication. He did not gain competitive advantage due to the
>> > sponsorship.
>> >>It is a priviledge and opportunity to be able to fly alongside this
>> > talent
>> >>and partake of their skills and knowledge. It is one aspect of the
>> > hobby
>> >>for which I am most appreciative.
>> >>
>> >> There have been infrequent critizisms thru the years wanting to put
>> > the
>> >>sponsored pilot in a separate group. Maybe "sour grapes" should just
>> > work a
>> >>little harder.
>> >> Nat Penton
>> >>
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