Very well said Verne. Guys want to pick their own maneuvers, use the <br> demo sticks to work through it and get the 'big picture.'<br> Just my own observations...<br> <br> Terry<br><br><b><i>Verne Koester <verne@twmi.rr.com></i></b> wrote:<blockquote class="replbq" style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1"> <meta content="MSHTML 6.00.2900.2802" name="GENERATOR"> <style></style> <div><font face="Arial">I've been present for portions of the last two unknown selection meetings. I can't imagine anyone there wanting a proxy with everything that's at stake. It's really an interactive meeting and they don't know until it starts what order they'll be drawing in. That order dictates a number of variables such as upwind maneuver, downwind, maneuver, or turnaround. Those selections are obviously dependant on what maneuver was just chosen to
precede it. Naturally, each competitor is doing their level best to pick maneuvers they're strongest in at the potential detriment to their fellow competitors. Additionally, I'm not sure the judging assignment of someone who's heart is at the meeting would get the attention it deserves.</font></div> <div><font face="Arial"></font> </div> <div><font face="Arial">Verne</font></div> <div><font face="Arial"></font> </div> <div> </div> <blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(0, 0, 0); padding-right: 0px; padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px; margin-right: 0px;"> <div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;">----- Original Message ----- </div> <div style="background: rgb(228, 228, 228) none repeat scroll 0%; -moz-background-clip: initial; -moz-background-origin: initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: initial;
font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>From:</b> <a title="derekkoopowitz@gmail.com" href="mailto:derekkoopowitz@gmail.com">Derek Koopowitz</a> </div> <div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>To:</b> <a title="nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">'NSRCA Mailing List'</a> </div> <div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, April 02, 2006 8:10 PM</div> <div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust:
none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] USA team trials</div> <div><br></div> <div align="left" dir="ltr"><span class="496330900-03042006"><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2">That is correct but they can send a proxy to the unknown selection as well. </font></span></div><br> <div class="OutlookMessageHeader" align="left" dir="ltr" lang="en-us"> <hr tabindex="-1"> <font face="Tahoma" size="2"><b>From:</b> <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Verne Koester<br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, April 02, 2006 3:52 PM<br><b>To:</b> NSRCA Mailing List<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] USA team trials<br></font><br></div> <div></div> <div><font face="Arial">Derek,</font></div> <div><font face="Arial">Creating the unknowns in the afternoon complicates things for the CD
because he would then have to find replacements for any of the FAI finalists that have Masters judging assignments. It's all a pretty delicate balance from what I've seen and makes me really appreciate the CD, whoever it happens to be.</font></div> <div><font face="Arial"></font> </div> <div><font face="Arial">Verne Koester</font></div> <blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(0, 0, 0); padding-right: 0px; padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px; margin-right: 0px;"> <div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;">----- Original Message ----- </div> <div style="background: rgb(228, 228, 228) none repeat scroll 0%; -moz-background-clip: initial; -moz-background-origin: initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: initial; font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt;
line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>From:</b> <a title="derekkoopowitz@gmail.com" href="mailto:derekkoopowitz@gmail.com">Derek Koopowitz</a> </div> <div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>To:</b> <a title="nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">'NSRCA Mailing List'</a> </div> <div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, April 02, 2006 12:41 PM</div> <div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] USA team
trials</div> <div><br></div> <div align="left" dir="ltr"><span class="634443816-02042006"><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2">Mike,</font></span></div> <div align="left" dir="ltr"><span class="634443816-02042006"><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2"></font></span> </div> <div align="left" dir="ltr"><span class="634443816-02042006"><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2">Having just joined this board I was not aware that there would be a team trials at this years Nats - so these messages over the past few days are news to me. I was aware, and voted against having the banquet on Tuesday night instead of Wednesday night since I felt that the unknowns for FAI could be selected in the afternoon (FAI will be flying in the morning) instead of Wednesday night.</font></span></div> <div align="left" dir="ltr"><span class="634443816-02042006"><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial"
size="2"></font></span> </div> <div align="left" dir="ltr"><span class="634443816-02042006"><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2">I will bring this up with Lamar to see what's going on...</font></span></div> <div align="left" dir="ltr"><span class="634443816-02042006"><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2"></font></span> </div> <div align="left" dir="ltr"><span class="634443816-02042006"><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2">-Derek</font></span></div><br> <div class="OutlookMessageHeader" align="left" dir="ltr" lang="en-us"> <hr tabindex="-1"> <font face="Tahoma" size="2"><b>From:</b> nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>mike mueller<br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, April 02, 2006 3:40 AM<br><b>To:</b> NSRCA Mailing List<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] USA team trials<br></font><br></div> <div></div> So who
makes the decision? Is this made by the board? Just wondering. Mike<br><br><b><i>Derek Koopowitz <derekkoopowitz@gmail.com></i></b> wrote: <blockquote class="replbq" style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px;">Well stated and I agree.<br><br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org<br>[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Grow Pattern<br>Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2006 8:39 PM<br>To: NSRCA Mailing List<br>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] USA team trials<br><br>Earl,<br>In the last printed format for the 2006 Nationals FAI class was<br>being run as follows. P-07 on Monday and Tuesday,Semi's on Wednesday flying<br>F-07, and then Final's on Thursday with two F-07's and two different<br>unknowns. To run a team trials this would have to be changed.<br><br>So I agree with Ron's concern about
changing things, (someone get Ron some<br>smelling salts quick!), just for FAI team selection needs. I have seen a<br>lot of that over the years. A team trials has a marked effect upon judge<br>selection and the payment of the extra judges who come in for the FAI<br>selection component. It already has spilled over into the social side of the<br>Nat's where our banquet is now on a Tuesday night so that FAI unknown<br>schedules can be drawn up on the Wednesday night.<br><br>It also puts a lot onto the Nat's event director and invariably the other<br>classes experience some neglect. I also wonder if it wise to have the same<br>guy running the Nat's and the team trials, especially when the some of the<br>top FAI pilots are sponsored directly of indirectly by the same individual.<br><br>I would be much happier if the FAI team selection was not run by the AMA<br>Nat's event director. I
would also like to keep the Nat's for the majority<br>who come for the participation.<br><br>Regards,<br><br>Eric.<br><br><br><br><br>----- Original Message -----<br>From: "Earl Haury" <EHAURY @houston.rr.com=""><br>To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <NSRCA-DISCUSSION @lists.nsrca.org=""><br>Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2006 5:14 PM<br>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] USA team trials<br><br><br>> Ron<br>><br>> There is no proposal to change the Nats format for the TS. There is an<br>> additional fee for participation in the program and finals judges are <br>> being<br>> recruited beforehand. This excerpt from the program should cover concerns<br>> about the event.<br>> "Event Qualification. The US Team will be selected by the order of finish <br>> in<br>> F3A by U.S. pilots at the 2006 U.S. Nationals. All TSP participants will<br>> have to enter the U.S.
Nationals in order to be eligible to make the U.S.<br>> Team."<br>><br>> Earl<br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>> ----- Original Message ----- <br>> From: <VANPUTTE @cox.net=""><br>> To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <NSRCA-DISCUSSION @lists.nsrca.org=""><br>> Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2006 2:10 PM<br>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] USA team trials<br>><br>><br>>><br>>>><br>>>> From: "Earl Haury" <EHAURY @houston.rr.com=""><br>>>> Date: 2006/03/31 Fri PM 10:08:33 EST<br>>>> To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <NSRCA-DISCUSSION @lists.nsrca.org=""><br>>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] USA team trials<br>>>><br>>>> The original plan was to hold the Team Selections for the '07 WC at next<br>>>> year's Nats. However, the '07 WC are to be in April of '07 making
it<br>>>> necessary to move the TS to this year's Nats. If you, or anyone else, is<br>>>> interested in details / entry forms please contact Lisa Johnson<br>>>> (lisaj@modelaircraft.org), AMA Competitions Dept.<br>>><br>>> My fear, which is justified based on what AMA tried to do before, is that<br>>> there will be an attempt by AMA personnel to abbreviate the Nats events <br>>> in<br>>> the case of bad weather, so that the Team Selection can be completed. I<br>>> believe that the best combination of Nats and F3A Team Selection is to <br>>> say<br>>> the the U.S. team is the top three placing U.S. citizens in F3A at the<br>>> Nats. Period.<br>>><br>>> Ron Van
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