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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Earl,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> I didn't
say it was inappropriate. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>In my exposure to team trials at the Nat's I have
not see the formula used where there was, </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>4 matrixed P-07's, </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>2 semi-final rounds for 20 pilots of F-07,
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>and then a 4 round final (2 F's and 2 unknowns).
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I have seen a 6-round matrix-qualifier and
then a 4-round final (2 F's and 2 unknowns). </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>So I thought that something might have to
change???</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Is there a standard for team trails, or is it
flexible?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Regards,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Eric.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=ehaury@houston.rr.com href="mailto:ehaury@houston.rr.com">Earl
Haury</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
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href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA Mailing List</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, April 02, 2006 9:03
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] USA team
trials</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Eric</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I'm going to need some help to understand your
views. You state:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>" In the last printed format for the 2006
Nationals FAI class was <BR>being run as follows. P-07 on Monday and
Tuesday,Semi's on Wednesday flying <BR>F-07, and then Final's on Thursday with
two F-07's and two different <BR>unknowns. To run a team trials this would
have to be changed."</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Given that this format was adopted by the NSRCA
to make F3A at our Nats compliant with FAI
rules - how is it inappropriate for selecting the Team? What
changes are deemed necessary?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Please understand also that the AMA "Procedures
Governing the Academy's Sponsorship of FAI Teams" specifies (pg.9 sec IV
item 5) "The only applicable rules for team selection contests are the AMA
By-Laws and standing rules, the <STRONG>approved program details
</STRONG>(emphasis mine), the current FAI Sporting Code, and this
document." The key in this discussion is "the approved program details". (The
program is prepared by the TSC and approved by Program participants.)
This has been done and the "detail" is that they will be conducted within the
framework of the Nats (as previously defined by the NSRCA process) as
published.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>FWIW - I've as the AMA Competitions Dept. to
publish the above referenced document (Amended Nov. 2005) on their website,
and they plan to do so - but they sure are slow about it.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Your other points are easier to understand.
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The "extra judges" who are paid to come in are
primarily to ensure an adequate number of qualified judges. (We've all been
involved at scrambling to find warm bodies for the judges seats in
the finals.) There is an opportunity for the appearance of "stacking
the judges" in someone's favor. I have suggested that any "hired" judges be
currently involved with pattern competition, known as qualified, and be
certified by the NSRCA program.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The effect of the unknowns selection process on
scheduling (banquet, etc.) is certainly real. However - F3A is AMA Class 406
and, as such, should be embraced as a very real component of what pattern is
by the Society and the rules accommodated. (I would also like to see more
Society activity within the F3A rules process - but that's another
topic.)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>As the Team Selections <STRONG><U>are
</U></STRONG>the Nats, there should be no favoritism or extra / hidden agenda
that influences decisions that could disadvantage any class relative to
another. Understand - there is a Nats Event Director and a Nats CD, there is
not also a Team Selection CD. Neither the Team Selection Committee, it's
Chairman, or anyone else in the US F3A loop have any say at a TS when the
contest has started, and certainly not at the Nats. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>So - again - it's the intent and definition of
the TSC to select the 2007 F3A US Team at the 2006 Nats using the process
previously defined for the Nats, it should be transparent. I
also understand that there are concerns that have come
from experience, open communication is the best method of addressing
these.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Earl</FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>----- Original Message ----- </FONT>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>From: "Grow Pattern" <</FONT><A
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <</FONT><A
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"><FONT face=Arial
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2006 11:38
PM</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] USA team
trials</FONT></DIV></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><BR><FONT size=2></FONT></FONT></DIV><FONT face=Arial
size=2>>
Earl,<BR>> In the
last printed format for the 2006 Nationals FAI class was <BR>> being run as
follows. P-07 on Monday and Tuesday,Semi's on Wednesday flying <BR>> F-07,
and then Final's on Thursday with two F-07's and two different <BR>>
unknowns. To run a team trials this would have to be changed.<BR>> <BR>>
So I agree with Ron's concern about changing things, (someone get Ron some
<BR>> smelling salts quick!), just for FAI team selection needs. I
have seen a <BR>> lot of that over the years. A team trials has a marked
effect upon judge <BR>> selection and the payment of the extra judges who
come in for the FAI <BR>> selection component. It already has spilled over
into the social side of the <BR>> Nat's where our banquet is now on a
Tuesday night so that FAI unknown <BR>> schedules can be drawn up on the
Wednesday night.<BR>> <BR>> It also puts a lot onto the Nat's event
director and invariably the other <BR>> classes experience some neglect. I
also wonder if it wise to have the same <BR>> guy running the Nat's and the
team trials, especially when the some of the <BR>> top FAI pilots are
sponsored directly of indirectly by the same individual.<BR>> <BR>> I
would be much happier if the FAI team selection was not run by the AMA
<BR>> Nat's event director. I would also like to keep the Nat's for the
majority <BR>> who come for the participation.<BR>> <BR>>
Regards,<BR>> <BR>> Eric.<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>>
----- Original Message ----- <BR>> From: "Earl Haury" <</FONT><A
href="mailto:ehaury@houston.rr.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>ehaury@houston.rr.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>><BR>>
To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <</FONT><A
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial
size=2>><BR>> Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2006 5:14 PM<BR>> Subject:
Re: [NSRCA-discussion] USA team trials<BR>> <BR>> <BR>>>
Ron<BR>>><BR>>> There is no proposal to change the Nats format for
the TS. There is an<BR>>> additional fee for participation in the
program and finals judges are <BR>>> being<BR>>> recruited
beforehand. This excerpt from the program should cover concerns<BR>>>
about the event.<BR>>> "Event Qualification. The US Team will be
selected by the order of finish <BR>>> in<BR>>> F3A by U.S. pilots
at the 2006 U.S. Nationals. All TSP participants will<BR>>> have to
enter the U.S. Nationals in order to be eligible to make the U.S.<BR>>>
Team."<BR>>><BR>>>
Earl<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>>
----- Original Message ----- <BR>>> From: <</FONT><A
href="mailto:vanputte@cox.net"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>vanputte@cox.net</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>><BR>>> To:
"NSRCA Mailing List" <</FONT><A
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial
size=2>><BR>>> Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2006 2:10 PM<BR>>>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] USA team
trials<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>>><BR>>>>><BR>>>>>
From: "Earl Haury" <</FONT><A href="mailto:ehaury@houston.rr.com"><FONT
face=Arial size=2>ehaury@houston.rr.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial
size=2>><BR>>>>> Date: 2006/03/31 Fri PM 10:08:33
EST<BR>>>>> To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <</FONT><A
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial
size=2>><BR>>>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] USA team
trials<BR>>>>><BR>>>>> The original plan was to hold
the Team Selections for the '07 WC at next<BR>>>>> year's Nats.
However, the '07 WC are to be in April of '07 making it<BR>>>>>
necessary to move the TS to this year's Nats. If you, or anyone else,
is<BR>>>>> interested in details / entry forms please contact Lisa
Johnson<BR>>>>> (</FONT><A
href="mailto:lisaj@modelaircraft.org"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>lisaj@modelaircraft.org</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>), AMA
Competitions Dept.<BR>>>><BR>>>> My fear, which is justified
based on what AMA tried to do before, is that<BR>>>> there will be an
attempt by AMA personnel to abbreviate the Nats events <BR>>>>
in<BR>>>> the case of bad weather, so that the Team Selection can be
completed. I<BR>>>> believe that the best combination of Nats
and F3A Team Selection is to <BR>>>> say<BR>>>> the the U.S.
team is the top three placing U.S. citizens in F3A at the<BR>>>>
Nats. Period.<BR>>>><BR>>>> Ron Van
Putte<BR>>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>>
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