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<DIV>it's where we keep our extra stuff, like tools, sunblock, you know, "gear"
box...</DIV>
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<DIV>Rex</DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>From:</B> <A title=mailto:chad@f3acanada.org
href="mailto:chad@f3acanada.org">Chad Northeast</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, March 30, 2006 4:58
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Falcon
F3A batteries</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Gearbox...what the h&% is a gearbox ;-)<BR><BR>Robert Mairs
wrote:<BR><BR>>300 flights your not gonna have a gear box left.
They're recommending 50 <BR>>now. Last one seemed a little dry at 50
to me, so I'm going 40 now.<BR>>Bob<BR>><BR>><BR>>----- Original
Message ----- <BR>>From: "Richard Strickland" <<A
title=mailto:richard.s@allied-callaway.com
href="mailto:richard.s@allied-callaway.com">richard.s@allied-callaway.com</A>><BR>>To:
"'NSRCA Mailing List'" <<A title=mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A>><BR>>Sent:
Thursday, March 30, 2006 6:02 PM<BR>>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Falcon
F3A batteries<BR>><BR>><BR>> <BR>><BR>>>I would put
the wings on and batteries in at the car, lug it, another set
<BR>>>of<BR>>>batts, and the transmitter out to the flightline,
fly, remove that set, <BR>>>put<BR>>>in the second, run the first
set to the car to charge, fly, remove the<BR>>>second set, put in the
third, run the second set to the car, bitch that
<BR>>>the<BR>>>first set wasn't quite done, fly, take the third
set out, run to the car,<BR>>>exchange the first set for the second set,
install the first again and <BR>>>fly,<BR>>>take the airplane and
trans back to the car, remove wings, load and go
<BR>>>home.<BR>>>Several times from the time I left work and the
time I got home was right <BR>>>at<BR>>>2 hours total and the
field is roughly 20 mins away to and from. 4 flts
<BR>>>in<BR>>>about an hour and 15 mins. with 3 sets at 1C charge
rate. 5 flts would<BR>>>start to stretch things out. I left
the scene about the time balancing<BR>>>started to hit stride. At
1.5 C you could get 5-6 in 2hours or so. No<BR>>>field box, tools,
fuel, starter, paper towels and Windex, extra trips to
<BR>>>the<BR>>>car to get going; no clean up and hauling it all
back to the car. Of<BR>>>course, there were more social
evenings that took more time-but if I was <BR>>>'on<BR>>>a
mission' to practice with limited time, the guys understood. BTW,
the<BR>>>Hackers and Master controllers did just fine temperature
wise. Things<BR>>>seemed so reliable in that department that I had
asked Hacker how long b4 <BR>>>I<BR>>>have to do some service on
the motor and gearbox-they said to send it back<BR>>>about every 300
flts and they'd clean and regrease the gear-set, replace
<BR>>>if<BR>>>needed(15.00), and the motor would run almost
indefinitely. With the<BR>>>exception of installing the wings,
it's like flying foamies-you do the <BR>>>same<BR>>>stuff-just a
little bigger. Speaking of Chip, I noticed he processed 5
<BR>>>sets<BR>>>at the Worlds'. Man, that's
livin'! A small red Honda may be in
my<BR>>>future....<BR>>><BR>>>Richard<BR>>><BR>>>-----Original
Message-----<BR>>>From: <A
title=mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</A><BR>>>[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]
On Behalf Of J.Oddino<BR>>>Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 3:47
PM<BR>>>To: NSRCA Mailing List<BR>>>Subject: Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Falcon F3A batteries<BR>>><BR>>>Richard, can
you explain why you got so many more flights in a given
<BR>>>amount<BR>>>of field time. Less tinkering or
what? I've heard Chip make
similar<BR>>>comments.<BR>>><BR>>>Jim
O<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>>----- Original Message
-----<BR>>>From: "Richard Strickland" <<A
title=mailto:richard.s@allied-callaway.com
href="mailto:richard.s@allied-callaway.com">richard.s@allied-callaway.com</A>><BR>>>To:
"'NSRCA Mailing List'" <<A title=mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A>><BR>>>Sent:
Thursday, March 30, 2006 10:17 AM<BR>>>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Falcon F3A batteries<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>>
<BR>>><BR>>>>There is a World of difference between a sport
flyer and a pattern guy.<BR>>>>Again, once I got programmed in what
it took to practice and the<BR>>>>
<BR>>>><BR>>>relatively<BR>>>
<BR>>><BR>>>>small amount of time it took, I was able to go out
and get 35-50 flights <BR>>>>a<BR>>>>week-I 'found' 1 1/2 to
2 hours more often as opposed to the 3-4 it
used<BR>>>>
<BR>>>><BR>>>to<BR>>>
<BR>>><BR>>>>take and practiced more. At that rate, when
a guy gives you a 6 mo.<BR>>>>guarantee-he'd better know the
score-and what you expect in service<BR>>>>turn-around. Unlike
a sport guy who flies 3-8 or so flights a
weekend<BR>>>>
<BR>>>><BR>>>where<BR>>>
<BR>>><BR>>>>a 6 mo. guarantee would be reasonable. I
think many of the folks who are<BR>>>>
<BR>>>><BR>>>in<BR>>>
<BR>>><BR>>>>the battery business go from their experience as
sport flyers and not<BR>>>>
<BR>>>><BR>>>fairly<BR>>>
<BR>>><BR>>>>serious pattern fiends where
practice-practice-practice is such a large<BR>>>>component of
probable
success.<BR>>>><BR>>>>Richard<BR>>>><BR>>>>
-----Original Message-----<BR>>>>From: <A
title=mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</A><BR>>>>[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]
On Behalf Of Stuart<BR>>>>
<BR>>>><BR>>>Chale<BR>>>
<BR>>><BR>>>>Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 11:27
AM<BR>>>>To: 'NSRCA Mailing List'<BR>>>>Subject: Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Falcon F3A batteries<BR>>>><BR>>>>George
has been quick with email responses and very courteous, but
it<BR>>>>doesn't seem like he has the answers either. I can't
find his original<BR>>>>email but he was unable to say that there are
people with over 100 cycles<BR>>>>
<BR>>>><BR>>>on<BR>>>
<BR>>><BR>>>>a pack. He is convinced that their
technology is better than TP but will<BR>>>>that translate into a
longer life span? It seems like we are being
asked<BR>>>>
<BR>>>><BR>>>to<BR>>>
<BR>>><BR>>>>test batteries for the manufacturers instead of
them testing their<BR>>>>
<BR>>>><BR>>>products<BR>>>
<BR>>><BR>>>>under our
conditions.<BR>>>><BR>>>>Stuart<BR>>>><BR>>>>-----Original
Message-----<BR>>>>From: <A
title=mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</A><BR>>>>[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]
On Behalf Of Earl Haury<BR>>>>Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 10:58
AM<BR>>>>To: <A title=mailto:chad@f3acanada.org
href="mailto:chad@f3acanada.org">chad@f3acanada.org</A>; NSRCA Mailing
List<BR>>>>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Falcon F3A
batteries<BR>>>><BR>>>>Chad<BR>>>><BR>>>>Your
questions are probably best answered by
Falcon<BR>>>>George@FalconBatteries.com . I think that you'll find
George quite open<BR>>>>
<BR>>>><BR>>>with<BR>>>
<BR>>><BR>>>>info, and I'd like to see your assessment of his
answers.<BR>>>><BR>>>>Earl<BR>>>><BR>>>>-----
Original Message -----<BR>>>>From: "Chad Northeast" <<A
title=mailto:chadnortheast@shaw.ca
href="mailto:chadnortheast@shaw.ca">chadnortheast@shaw.ca</A>><BR>>>>To:
"NSRCA Mailing List" <<A title=mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A>><BR>>>>Sent:
Thursday, March 30, 2006 9:42 AM<BR>>>>Subject: Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Falcon F3A
batteries<BR>>>><BR>>>><BR>>>>
<BR>>>><BR>>>>>Earl<BR>>>>><BR>>>>>Does
the Falcon warranty cover simply manufacturers defects...or
will<BR>>>>>
<BR>>>>><BR>>>they<BR>>>
<BR>>><BR>>>>>replace any abuse/over
charged/overdischarge/cycled out
pack?<BR>>>>><BR>>>>>I can't honestly believe that a
manufacturer will replace every
pack<BR>>>>>
<BR>>>>><BR>>>that<BR>>>
<BR>>><BR>>>>>fails, or they will be out of business in a
short period of time :) If<BR>>>>>that is the case I can buy
4 sets of packs and never again purchase<BR>>>>>another battery
for as long as they will supply them regardless
of<BR>>>>>
<BR>>>>><BR>>>usage.<BR>>>
<BR>>><BR>>>>>Just looking for some clarification on their
warranty statement.<BR>>>>><BR>>>>>Do you know who is
making the cells? Their other packs are APL
I<BR>>>>>believe...wondering if they went to Enerland (like
Apogee/Tanic/Flight<BR>>>>>Power) did for the higher C
cells.<BR>>>>><BR>>>>>Chad<BR>>>>><BR>>>>>-----
Original Message -----<BR>>>>>From: Grow Pattern <<A
title=mailto:pattern4u@comcast.net
href="mailto:pattern4u@comcast.net">pattern4u@comcast.net</A>><BR>>>>>Date:
Thursday, March 30, 2006 8:26 am<BR>>>>>Subject: Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Falcon F3A
batteries<BR>>>>><BR>>>>>
<BR>>>>><BR>>>>>>Earl,<BR>>>>>>
You raise a very interesting point, What is
sponsored?<BR>>>>>><BR>>>>>>I used to think it
was either that you got paid to fly by
a<BR>>>>>>manufacturer/supplier/business, or that you got your
equipment<BR>>>>>>free. But<BR>>>>>>what if, for
example, you got a discount on your OS 1.40 EFI
,or<BR>>>>>>free fuel<BR>>>>>>etc. Or another
would be that you bought and built a plane
but<BR>>>>>>your<BR>>>>>>batteries were post
gratis.<BR>>>>>><BR>>>>>>This could be harder to
define than a pattern snap-roll.
Hmmmm?<BR>>>>>><BR>>>>>>To be clear to the
potentially-paranoid-pattern-people", I
am<BR>>>>>>interested<BR>>>>>>for my own
edification. (No hidden agenda). I do get asked
my<BR>>>>>>opinion on<BR>>>>>>certain subjects
and when I am not sure, I ask for my opinion
:-)<BR>>>>>><BR>>>>>>I would also add that many
of the responses to the electric issues<BR>>>>>>that
I<BR>>>>>>have raised have given me a much better and more
balanced view<BR>>>>>>than the one<BR>>>>>>I had
a few months ago.<BR>>>>>><BR>>>>>>So, thanks in
advance,<BR>>>>>><BR>>>>>>Eric.<BR>>>>>><BR>>>>>><BR>>>>>>-----
Original Message -----<BR>>>>>>From: "Earl Haury" <<A
title=mailto:ehaury@houston.rr.com
href="mailto:ehaury@houston.rr.com">ehaury@houston.rr.com</A>><BR>>>>>>To:
"NSRCA Mailing List" <<A title=mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A>><BR>>>>>>Sent:
Thursday, March 30, 2006 8:04 AM<BR>>>>>>Subject: Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Falcon F3A
batteries<BR>>>>>><BR>>>>>><BR>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>Stuart<BR>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>I'm
using the first 4 packs sold. I've 48 cycles on one set
18<BR>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>on
the<BR>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>other.<BR>>>>>>>So
far they've been fine, very little (if any)
balancing<BR>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>activity.
Don't<BR>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>have any idea what the
cycle life will be - only time will
tell.<BR>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>As
the<BR>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>weather improves,
opportunity for more flying will accelerate
cycle<BR>>>>>>>accumulation a bunch. I hope that there's no
need to exercise their<BR>>>>>>>warranty, but it's a nice
feature.<BR>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>Just so
there's no misunderstanding - I gathered flight data
to<BR>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>help<BR>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>Falcon<BR>>>>>>>define
the pack parameters and received a bit of a
discount<BR>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>(that
local<BR>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>sales tax mitigated) for
that work. Don't know if that's
considered<BR>>>>>>>"sponsored", but I'm using them because
they work and
Falcon<BR>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>provides> excellent
service. (I understand that they had some<BR>>>>>>website
problems<BR>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>recently, if anyone has
problems with it - a phone call will
work.)<BR>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>Earl<BR>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>-----
Original Message -----<BR>>>>>>>From: "Stuart Chale" <<A
title=mailto:schale@optonline.net
href="mailto:schale@optonline.net">schale@optonline.net</A>><BR>>>>>>>To:
"'NSRCA Mailing List'" <<A title=mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A>><BR>>>>>>>Sent:
Thursday, March 30, 2006 6:32 AM<BR>>>>>>>Subject:
[NSRCA-discussion] Falcon F3A
batteries<BR>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>>Is anyone using
the Falcon F3A cells advertised in the
K-<BR>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>Factor?
Is<BR>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>>there<BR>>>>>>>>any
track record behind
them?<BR>>>>>>>>Thanks,<BR>>>>>>>>Stuart<BR>>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>>_______________________________________________<BR>>>>>>>>NSRCA-discussion
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