I had a long response ready, until a server crash dumped my message.<br><br>There is a long thread about these cells in the electric helicopter forum on RCGroups.&nbsp; They exhibit a greater voltage depression under load than LiPo cells, but they seem to have great success pulling 50+ amps continually with bursts of 100A.&nbsp; The cells they are using come from the Milwaukee 28V drill, weigh 100 grams each, and are 3000 mAh capacity.&nbsp; Best of all, a 7-cell pack (28V) costs around $100. 
<br><br>Both manufacturers (a123 systems and eMoli) refuse to sell directly to RC guys, but stripping the cells from the Milwaukee battery pack seems easy enough.<br><br>Pros:<br>cheap!<br>reliable<br>readily available<br>

durable construction<br><br>Cons:<br>somewhat heavy for their capacity compared to LiPo<br>increased voltage depression under load requires running an extra cell (7S vs. 6S, for example)<br><br>There is a thread on RCGroups under the ELectric Helicopter forum about these cells.&nbsp; Here is the link.&nbsp; Be warned the post is about 78 pages long now.&nbsp;&nbsp; Page 22 (and several others) has charts showing voltage with watts and voltage with amps over time.
<br><br><a href="http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=456011">http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=456011</a><br><br><div><span class="gmail_quote">
On 3/28/06, <b class="gmail_sendername">Stuart Chale</b> &lt;<a href="mailto:schale@optonline.net" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">schale@optonline.net</a>&gt; wrote:</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">

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<p><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;"><a href="http://www.a123systems.com/html/tech/power.html" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">

http://www.a123systems.com/html/tech/power.html</a></span></font></p>

<p><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">Above is their technology page.&nbsp; 35C
discharge.&nbsp; 5 minute charge.&nbsp; </span></font></p>

<p><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">&nbsp;</span></font></p>

<p><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">Anyone with good battery knowledge take a
look at this?&nbsp; Is this the no worry cells that will convince everyone to
go electric </span></font><font color="navy" face="Wingdings" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Wingdings; color: navy;">J</span></font><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">

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<p><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">&nbsp;</span></font></p>

<p><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">If only they live up to their advertising </span></font><font color="navy" face="Wingdings" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Wingdings; color: navy;">

J</span></font><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;"></span></font></p>

<p><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">&nbsp;</span></font></p>

<p><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">Stuart</span></font></p>

<p><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">&nbsp;</span></font></p>

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<p><b><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma; font-weight: bold;">From:</span></font></b><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma;">
<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>
[mailto:<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>] <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">On Behalf Of 
</span></b>Cameron Smith<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, March 28, 2006 8:56
AM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Discussion<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> [NSRCA-discussion]
Interesting Battery stuff</span></font></p>

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<p><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;"><a href="http://www.a123systems.com/html/technology.html" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">http://www.a123systems.com/html/technology.html#
</a></span></font></p>

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<p><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;"><a href="http://www.technologyreview.com/BizTech-R&amp;D/wtr_16624,295,p1.html" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">

http://www.technologyreview.com/BizTech-R&amp;D/wtr_16624,295,p1.html</a></span></font></p>

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<p><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;"><a href="http://store.yahoo.com/poe512000/ma18vlxtlico.html" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">http://store.yahoo.com/poe512000/ma18vlxtlico.html
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<p><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">45-minute Optimum Charger and battery communicates throughout the
charging process using the built-in chip in the battery and built-in CPU chip
in the charger. The Charger also uses &quot;Active 3 Control&quot; for current
control, thermal control &amp; voltage control</span></font></p>

<p><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">&nbsp; </span></font></p>

<p><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;"><a href="http://blogs.toolbarn.com/mattg/2006/01/smells-like-dewalt-spirit.html" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">

http://blogs.toolbarn.com/mattg/2006/01/smells-like-dewalt-spirit.html</a></span></font></p>

<p><font face="Trebuchet MS" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">It seems that their DC9360 battery will use
exclusive nano-phosphate lithium-ion cells. They deliver two to three times the
run-time compared with their current 18 volt batteries. D</span></font><font face="Trebuchet MS" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">E</span></font><font face="Trebuchet MS"><span>WALT is
anticipating 2000 recharge cycles on the battery, which is a significant
increase. The battery is slated to be 2.4 pounds which is roughly the same
weight as their current 18 volt batteries. Otherwise, it will be a slide on
style, instead of the familiar pod currently in use.</span></font></p>

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