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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Bill,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>If I have to jog back to the pilot, somebody would
have to call 911, not maneuvers:-)</FONT></DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=billglaze@triad.rr.com href="mailto:billglaze@triad.rr.com">Bill
Glaze</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA Mailing List</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, March 26, 2006 4:24
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] rookie
judge</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>The FAI and Masters seem rather pro forma, and do the
procedure turn. Those of us in the great unwashed classes have
also been utilizing this, but quite a few contestants take off, proceed
straight out, and execute a humpty-bump or a 1/2 Cuban for a turnaround to the
"trim pass."</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>This also allows the caller to jog back to the
line, burning a few calories, and staying in shape, thereby not arriving
so out of breath that he is unable to call the first few figures for his
pilot.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Or, if your caller is the athletic type, then Don
Ramsay has simplified it: Simply take off, make a 180 deg. turn, and
head directly downwind. Fast, simple, easy to do, easy to judge, (Take
off is complete when airplane passes center pole downwind). You can then
extend the down-wind leg, turning only when your out-of-breath caller joins
you and stops panting. It's totally non-critical.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Bill Glaze</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=jpavlick@idseng.com href="mailto:jpavlick@idseng.com">John
Pavlick</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, March 26, 2006 4:13
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] rookie
judge</DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=390281221-26032006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>So.... how did we do it 3 years ago? :)</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=390281221-26032006>
<P><FONT size=2>John Pavlick<BR><A href="http://www.idseng.com"
target=_blank>http://www.idseng.com</A><BR> </FONT> </P></SPAN></DIV>
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size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> <A
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</A>
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]<B>On Behalf Of </B>John
Ferrell<BR><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, March 26, 2006 2:07 PM<BR><B>To:</B> NSRCA
Mailing List<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] rookie
judge<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The procedure turn allows time for the caller
to get back to the pilot station in time to enter the box.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>John Ferrell <BR><A
href="http://DixieNC.US">http://DixieNC.US</A><BR></DIV>
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<A title=natpenton@centurytel.net
href="mailto:natpenton@centurytel.net">Nat Penton</A> </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, March 25, 2006 9:50
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
rookie judge</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>John</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I agree the procedure turn is a time and
fuel waster. Someone said it was incorporated to prevent hotdogging. I
have occasionally flown the procedure turn in knife edge since it is not
a violation of the rules. I think a prescribed 180 after TO would be
just as effective in eliminating hotdogging.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>One advantage of he procedure turn is
that it gives a long trim pass. This is seldom needed, however and I
think saving judge time is more
important.
Nat</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=jpavlick@idseng.com href="mailto:jpavlick@idseng.com">John
Pavlick</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, March 25, 2006
7:07 PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
rookie judge</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=260014800-26032006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>My understanding of the reason why we now score T.O. and
landing as "0" OR "10" was to save time (?) and make the judges job
easier (???). Well, last season we spent a lot of time at
pilot's meetings talking about how to "0" something that didn't fit
the rulebook description. Or when exactly do we call "Takeoff
complete"? It was silly. The judges still need to watch the Entire
takeoff and landing sequence so again, what's the point. If you wanted
to save time on T.O. - don't do the freaking procedure turn. Takeoff,
turn 180 downwind, check trim, turn around and get in the box. If
you're a judge, assume that if it got into the box it did so while
conforming to the "rules". "10" - Done. The procedure turn is cool and
it looks great, but it takes more time to do, AND you spend more time
in the overlapping region of the other flight line (depending on the
wind direction and which line you're on of course). If you're going to
go through all of that, then you should at least get a good score for
doing it well. Just my opinion.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=260014800-26032006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Also funny how now that electric is becoming more popular,
we're relaxing the rules about the airplane standing still before the
takeoff roll. Pretty soon it won't even matter - well, it will for
some of us...</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<P><FONT size=2>John Pavlick<BR><A href="http://www.idseng.com"
target=_blank>http://www.idseng.com</A></FONT> </P></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma><FONT size=2><SPAN
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Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]<B>On Behalf Of
</B>Stuart Chale<BR><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, March 25, 2006 9:12
AM<BR><B>To:</B> 'NSRCA Mailing List'<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] rookie judge<BR><BR></DIV></FONT></FONT>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Yes, it
definitely took some skill to get the plane to rotate and stay on
the ground with the nose gear off the ground before smoothly taking
off. Same for the landing with the nose gear up for a bit on
rollout.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Anyone know
the thinking behind 0 to 10? Seems that flying judged on
precision would not include a perfect score on a takeoff just jerked
into the sky.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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</SPAN></B>GSailwhale@aol.com<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Saturday, March 25, 2006
8:41 AM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">If we go
back to judging takeoffs and landings, then I can go back to
tricycle gear and
retracts......cool!!!!!<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
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