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size=2>Matt,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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size=2> Cool, actually it was pretty clear before, but there were always
questions at pilot meetings. Remember, I'm new at this...</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<P><FONT size=2>John Pavlick<BR><A href="http://www.idseng.com/"
target=_blank>http://www.idseng.com</A><BR> </FONT> </P></SPAN></DIV>
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size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]<B>On Behalf Of
</B>rcmaster199@aol.com<BR><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, March 25, 2006 8:38
PM<BR><B>To:</B> nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] rookie judge<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>Stuart, the 0 and 10 also started with F3A a bunch of years ago now. As
far as making the model rotate first and then take off, used to change
the main gear set-up to allow it. It was pretty simple
really.</DIV>
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<DIV>John, as far as "TO Complete", your Judging Committee had clarified that.
You may find the clarification on the website under Judging. </DIV>
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<DIV>MattK</DIV> <BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From: John Pavlick
<jpavlick@idseng.com><BR>To: NSRCA Mailing List
<nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><BR>Sent: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 20:07:04
-0500<BR>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] rookie judge<BR><BR>
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<DIV><SPAN class=260014800-26032006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>My
understanding of the reason why we now score T.O. and landing as "0" OR "10"
was to save time (?) and make the judges job easier (???). Well, last season
we spent a lot of time at pilot's meetings talking about how to "0"
something that didn't fit the rulebook description. Or when exactly do we call
"Takeoff complete"? It was silly. The judges still need to watch the Entire
takeoff and landing sequence so again, what's the point. If you wanted to save
time on T.O. - don't do the freaking procedure turn. Takeoff, turn 180
downwind, check trim, turn around and get in the box. If you're a judge,
assume that if it got into the box it did so while conforming to the "rules".
"10" - Done. The procedure turn is cool and it looks great, but it takes more
time to do, AND you spend more time in the overlapping region of the other
flight line (depending on the wind direction and which line you're on o! f
course). If you're going to go through all of that, then you should at least
get a good score for doing it well. Just my opinion.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=260014800-26032006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Also
funny how now that electric is becoming more popular, we're relaxing the rules
about the airplane standing still before the takeoff roll. Pretty soon it
won't even matter - well, it will for some of us...</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2>John Pavlick<BR><A href="http://www.idseng.com"
target=_blank>http://www.idseng.com</A></FONT> </DIV></SPAN></DIV>
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class=260014800-26032006> </SPAN>-----Original
Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]<B>On Behalf Of </B>Stuart
Chale<BR><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, March 25, 2006 9:12 AM<BR><B>To:</B> 'NSRCA
Mailing List'<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] rookie
judge<BR><BR></DIV></FONT></FONT>
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<DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Yes, it definitely
took some skill to get the plane to rotate and stay on the ground with the
nose gear off the ground before smoothly taking off. Same for the
landing with the nose gear up for a bit on
rollout.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Anyone know the
thinking behind 0 to 10? Seems that flying judged on precision would
not include a perfect score on a takeoff just jerked into the
sky.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of
</SPAN></B>GSailwhale@aol.com<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Saturday, March 25, 2006 8:41
AM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B>
nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] rookie
judge</SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">If we go back to
judging takeoffs and landings, then I can go back to tricycle gear and
retracts......cool!!!!!<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV>
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