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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I have a compromise for those who want <span
class=GramE>TO’s</span> scored and those who don’t. <span
style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>Take off and <span class=GramE>landing
are</span> vital parts of the flight. <span
style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span><span class=GramE>Landing probably the
most important, especially if you plan on flying the next round.</span> <span
style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>I’ve always thought <span
class=GramE>TO’s</span> and landings should be scored. I’ve seen
more than one round decided by one guy nailing a landing and the other person
who had a similar flight screwing up the landing.<span
style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span><span
style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>I think on the last NSRCA rules survey,
most of the people who voted agreed. <span
style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>I see the arguments for both sides.<span
style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>I will agree that last year by not
scoring them, it did seem to speed up contests. <span
style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>However that being said, as Larry said, that
is something that would separate pattern from other types of precision
aerobatics<span class=GramE>..if</span> you don’t believe me, go watch an
IMAC contest. <span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>However, what if we
kept them as 0 and 10, but made the criteria much more difficult for the 10. <span
style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>Take off has to break ground in a certain
box much closer to center and shrink the landing box. <span
style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>Make it a little bit more a
challenge.<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>This way, simply getting
airborne and then getting back on the ground are not enough. <span
style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>I know there is a landing <span
class=GramE>area,</span> however I’ve flown off fields that weren’t
much larger than the landing area. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=GramE><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Just my .02 worth.</span></font></span><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Arch<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Lisa & Larry<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Saturday, March 25, 2006
9:20 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> '<st1:PersonName w:st="on">NSRCA
Mailing List</st1:PersonName>'<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
rookie judge</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I agree with Alan…<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>A smooth TO and a great landing set
pattern apart from all others…as long as your not using me as an example
…There is always room for improvement…vbg…<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I also agree with the scored TO/L for
Sportsman, Intermediate, and Advanced. 10’s & 0’s for Masters.
By the time you hit Masters, the landings are almost a given 10 anyway. Well
unless you add a 20mph crosswind, then they all start looking pretty ugly from
there…<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Larry<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Mail List<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Saturday, March 25, 2006
8:27 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">NSRCA
Mailing List</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
rookie judge</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Comic Sans MS"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'>I think they should be scored. The fact
that I have always been scored on them has made me strive to do them better
than before.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Comic Sans MS"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'>There are a few maneuvers in some sequences
that should only be scored 0 or 10.......You get a 10 just to have the balls to
try it :-)</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Comic Sans MS"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'>Alan Hewson</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>----- Original Message ----- <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:#E4E4E4'><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href="mailto:khoard@gmail.com" title="khoard@gmail.com">Keith Hoard</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>To:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"
title="nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA Mailing List</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Friday, March 24,
2006 11:17 PM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] rookie judge<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Speaking of scoring takeoffs and landings. . . . . does anyone have an
opinion either way??<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=gmailquote><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>On 3/24/06, <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Ron Van
Putte</span></b> <<a href="mailto:vanputte@cox.net">vanputte@cox.net</a>>
wrote:</span></font></span> <o:p></o:p></p>
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12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>On Mar 24, 2006, at 10:11 PM, Keith Hoard wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Just write this down: 8,8,8,8,8,8,8,8,8,8,8,8,8,8,8,8,8,8,8,8.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>It works for me every time I judge. . . .<br>
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=q><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></span></p>
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<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Yeah, but those pesky takeoff and landing scores give you away every
time.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><br>
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Ron Van Putte<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><br>
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=gmailquote><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>On 3/24/06, <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Pat
Hewitt</span></b> <<a href="mailto:phewitt@farmersagent.com" target="_blank">phewitt@farmersagent.com
</a>> wrote:</span></font></span> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>This will be my first time at the Nats so please advise. I understand
that I<br>
am to help judge but my issue with it is I don't think I would be a good <br>
judge. I can do sportsman but it just would not be fair to the advanced guys<br>
please advise ( i will if its a must but i would be a much better scribe)<br>
<br>
Pat Hewitt<br>
Paola, Ks.<br>
<br>
------ Original Message ------ <br>
Received: 03:14 PM CST, 03/24/2006<br>
From: Ron Van Putte <<a href="mailto:vanputte@cox.net" target="_blank">vanputte@cox.net</a>><br>
To: <st1:PersonName w:st="on">NSRCA Mailing List</st1:PersonName> < <a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Nats. 06 question<br>
<br>
<br>
On Mar 24, 2006, at 1:28 PM, Archie Stafford wrote:<br>
<br>
> In every year past. Intermediate flies at the same time as<br>
> Masters, and Advanced with FAI. When they have flipped the time
<br>
> schedules, they've done it for both Masters/FAI and Intermediate/ <br>
> Advanced.<br>
<br>
Let me expand on what Arch wrote. The AMA property has three flying<br>
sites that we use for competition. We use two sites for the Master <br>
and F3A classes. One site is used for Intermediate and
Advanced. As <br>
a result of requiring each class of pilots to judge the next 'lower'<br>
class, Advanced can't fly at the same time as Intermediate. The same<br>
is true for Master and F3A. Master pilots judge Advanced and F3A, so<br>
they must fly in different sessions. So, one session (either morning<br>
or afternoon on alternating years) will have Intermediate and Master<br>
pilots competing. The other session will have Advanced and F3A <br>
competing. I hope this helps. <br>
<br>
Ron Van Putte<br>
> From: <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org"
target="_blank">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a> [mailto:<a
href="mailto:nsrca-" target="_blank"> nsrca-</a><br>
> <a href="mailto:discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>]
On Behalf Of <a href="mailto:vicenterc@comcast.net" target="_blank">vicenterc@comcast.net</a><br>
> Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 2:24 PM<br>
> To: NSRCA <br>
> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Nats. 06 question<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> I am planing to go with a friend flying different classes to 2006 <br>
> Nats. We would like to know what is the day time schedule for
each <br>
> class? The idea is to call for each other if possible.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Thanks,<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Vicente Bortone <br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
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