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<DIV>Ok it wasn't as obvious just reading it. Answer to your question is NOTNecessarily, Jimmy. Chances are good that the slow roll would have been started before show center, in order to get centering.</DIV>
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<DIV>All of these maneuver types should be looked at as a whole. The start is defined as the initiation of rolling and end is defined as the end of rolling. <STRONG>Center is the midpoint of the maneuver's inscribed line</STRONG> with no regard where the specific rolling elements fall. Having said that, it's important to understand that the <STRONG>roll rate</STRONG> of the <STRONG>2/2 should be constant only within the 2/2</STRONG> and that of the <STRONG>slow roll be constant within the slow roll</STRONG>, but the <STRONG>two rates DON'T have to be identical</STRONG> to each other.</DIV>
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<DIV>This "unbalanced" maneuver type at show center was introduced a couple years ago with the 1 1/2 snap --4/8 opposite in F3A P03. My jury is still out on the Unbalanced Maneuver type at show center. I am leaning towards NOT wanting it in Precision Aerobatic Schedules. </DIV>
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<DIV>Matt</DIV> <BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From: jivey61@bellsouth.net<BR>To: NSRCA Mailing List <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><BR>Sent: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 22:07:11 -0500<BR>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Masters 07-08 schedule<BR><BR>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> That manouver is 2/2pt roll and slow roll opposite. Having said that where is center? Shouldn't it be just before slow roll opposite?</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>It looks like it should be the middle of inverted flight. That is if I read the maneuver correctly. Same as for maneuver #4 except for that one, it would be upright flight</DIV>
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<DIV>Matt </DIV> <BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From: Mike Hester <<A href="javascript:parent.ComposeTo('kerlock@comcast.net');">kerlock@comcast.net</A>><BR>To: NSRCA Mailing List <<A href="javascript:parent.ComposeTo('nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org');">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A>><BR>Sent: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 22:32:36 -0500<BR>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Masters 07-08 schedule<BR><BR>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Thanks a bunch, that looks like a fun pattern! I had it a long time ago, but lost it in my latest computer crash.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hrrmmm...I guess I'll save the discussion for later.......like where to center the 2/2-slow roll rev.....</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, March 22, 2006 8:47 PM</DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=850223201-23032006>Hey Mike,</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=850223201-23032006>All the proposals are listed here.... </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><A href="http://www.modelaircraft.org/Comp/2007Proposals/RCAerobaticspattern.htm" target=_blank>http://www.modelaircraft.org/Comp/2007Proposals/RCAerobaticspattern.htm</A></FONT></DIV></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=850223201-23032006>The New Masters Schedule proposal is RCA-07-19. The final vote will be in June.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=850223201-23032006>You may have to login to the AMA Website to pull this up.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=850223201-23032006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Here's the list without the maneuver descriptions.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV class=MsoNormal>404 Masters</DIV></DIV>
<DIV class=MsoNormal dir=ltr>1. Takeoff Sequence (U) K=1</DIV>
<DIV class=MsoNormal dir=ltr>2. Reverse Cuban 8, 4/8pt. Roll first, 2/2pt Roll second, exit Inverted (U) K=4</DIV>
<DIV class=MsoNormal dir=ltr>3. Stall Turn with ½ rolls up and down, Exit Inverted K=2</DIV>
<DIV class=MsoNormal dir=ltr>4. Two 2/4pt Rolls Reversed Inverted to Inverted (D) K=4</DIV>
<DIV class=MsoNormal dir=ltr>5. Humpty Bump (push, pull, pull), full roll up K=3</DIV>
<DIV class=MsoNormal dir=ltr>6. Figure M with ¾ Rolls (U) K=5</DIV>
<DIV class=MsoNormal dir=ltr>7. Top Hat 3/4pt Roll up, ¼ Roll Down K=2</DIV>
<DIV class=MsoNormal dir=ltr>8. Triangle Snap Loop (D) K=4</DIV>
<DIV class=MsoNormal dir=ltr>9. Half Square Loop, 2/4pt Roll up K=2</DIV>
<DIV class=MsoNormal dir=ltr>10. Reverse Golf Ball from top, with ½ Rolls (U) K=4</DIV>
<DIV class=MsoNormal dir=ltr>11. Split S with 2/4pt roll (2/4pt roll, ½ Inside Loop) K=2</DIV>
<DIV class=MsoNormal dir=ltr>12. Slow Roll (D) K=3</DIV>
<DIV class=MsoNormal dir=ltr>13. Half Cuban 8, 2/2pt down, Exit Inverted K=2</DIV>
<DIV class=MsoNormal dir=ltr>14. Six Sided Outside Loop, exit Inverted (U) K=4</DIV>
<DIV class=MsoNormal dir=ltr>15. Humpty Bump w/Options, Exit Inverted K=3</DIV>
<DIV class=MsoNormal dir=ltr>16. Square Horizontal Eight, exit Inverted (D) K=5</DIV>
<DIV class=MsoNormal dir=ltr>17. Half Square loop, 2/2pt Roll up K=2</DIV>
<DIV class=MsoNormal dir=ltr>18. 45 degree down, 1 ½ positive snap roll, exit Inverted (U) K=3</DIV>
<DIV class=MsoNormal dir=ltr>19. Stall Turn, Full Roll up, 2/4pt Roll down K=2</DIV>
<DIV class=MsoNormal dir=ltr>20. Two Point roll, Slow Roll Reversed (D) K=4</DIV>
<DIV class=MsoNormal dir=ltr>21. Immelman Turn K=2</DIV>
<DIV class=MsoNormal dir=ltr>22. 2-1/2 spin, half roll exit (U) K=3</DIV>
<DIV class=MsoNormal dir=ltr>23. Landing Sequence K=1</DIV>
<DIV class=MsoNormal dir=ltr> Total K=67</DIV>
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<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader lang=en-us dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=850223201-23032006> <FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Hope this helps.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader lang=en-us dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=850223201-23032006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Joe Dunnaway</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader lang=en-us dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Mike Hester<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, March 21, 2006 2:38 PM<BR><B>To:</B> NSRCA Mailing List<BR><B>Subject:</B> [NSRCA-discussion] Masters 07-08 schedule<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>So where can I find the proposed masters schedule for 07? I know it was in a copy of the K Factor a while back, but after my computer crashed around new years I lost everything.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>So if someone has the manuever descriptions, I'd be grateful.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Also when is it scheduled to be voted on by the contest board, or has it already happened?</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Thanks,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>-Mike</FONT></DIV>
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