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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I’ve seen the same adhesion
problems. At first it seemed that it was color sensitive but I then realized
that the different colors had been purchased at vastly different times. Could
it be an age factor? Regardless, I have become very reluctant to use Monocoat.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original Message-----<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b>
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>George Kennie<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, March 22, 2006
2:40 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> NSRCA Mailing List<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Motor Mount Bonding</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Speaking of Monokote!,............I noticed some
irregularities a couple of planes back, but couldn't really put my finger on
anything specific, thinking it was probably some oversight in my application
technique (too little heat, too much heat?). Then I built an Exceleron and
decided to do a little trim scheme on the wheel pants using Monokote as the
trimming agent, which I had done many times in the past (and I stress MANY).I
used regular Monokote, (not the Trim Strip variety) and cut out my design and
ironed it on and it appeared to be O.K. I set the plane aside and came
back a couple of days later only to find all of the trimming designs lying on
the floor beside the wheel pants. <br>
I have had several instances since then where I had similar results trying to
get the stuff to adhere to any painted surface. <br>
I just completed a small bird that I costructed quite lightly with the nose of
the aircraft being planked and everything from the T.E. back being open
structure.Due to the fact that I made the canopy out of glass I decided to
paint the forward part of the fuse and film the aft portion. Everything went
pretty much O.K. until I got to the point of trimming. In the areas where the
trim was applied over MonoKote it seemed to be normal, but when the trim was
applied to the painted portion of the fuse I had difficulty making the stuff
stick, and indeed, I have re-ironed it down about 6 or 8 times since it's
original application. I have been toying with the idea of maybe trying to use
some Balsarite under the trim to see if I can get it to stick to the paint, but
have some apprehension about whether the Balsarite might raise havoc with the
paint (Concept). <br>
The other thing that I've noticed is that it is now much easier to lift
Monokote film that you have previously applied by using a little heat and
the stuff comes up easily. In the old days, if you tried to lift the stuff the
color would be left behind and you would have transparrent cellophane on your
hands. <br>
At the Wram's Show, I picked up a Quest from Eric and I noticed that the
covering material being used by this manufacturer is different than either Mono
or Ultra in that it appears to have a weave structure in the backing. Almost
looks like Coverite if you look at the backside, but the front side is as
glossy as Monokote. It's also quite strong and stretchy if you try to pull it
apart. The adhesive appears to be quite strong as well. It is possible to lift
it with the application of heat, but it leaves significant color stuck to the
underlying surface.It appears, to me, to be a really good quality film, not at
all like the old "Chinese Shelf Paper." Maybe Great Planes would be
well served to do a little research? <br>
Georgie <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>mike mueller wrote: <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'> I've recently switched from using El's mounts
made in Canada to Budd mounts. The weight savings is 3 oz. over the Hyde type
mounts. That's significant in anybody's book. Jerry also has excellent customer
service and responds to emails which is refreshing these days. Seems to me that
he has takin a totally proactive approach to fix a problem. Now the Monokote
people are another story! Mike <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><b><i><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-weight:bold;font-style:italic'>jeffghughes@comcast.net</span></font></i></b>
wrote: <o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'>Seems like a little bit of a low blow, considering
Jerry was trying to make things right with his customers. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'>-------------- Original message -------------- <br>
From: "Michael Cohen" <precisionaero@comcast.net> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>> Lets see how much traffic this e-mail generates.
Oh well, I was bored lately <br>
! > anyway..... :) <br>
> <br>
> Mike Cohen <br>
> <br>
> ----- Original Message ----- <br>
> From: "Mike Darr" <MDARR00@COMCAST.NET> <br>
> To: "NSRCA Discussion" <NSRCA-DISCUSSION@LISTS.NSRCA.ORG> <br>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 5:53 PM <br>
> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Motor Mount Bonding <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> > Merle Hyde asked me to post this on the discussion page for him. <br>
> > <br>
> > <br>
> > Subj: Soft Mount Bonding <br>
> > <br>
> > "OH" really - so the adhesive is the final solution!!!! If
the rubber <br>
> > won't tear or fail first the bond is not sufficient. I have tested
the <br>
> > latest offering and it ca! n also be pulled apart - peels off like a
tougher <br>
> > "lemon"!!!! Modelers really "NEED" a mount in a
2-20 thousand dollar <br>
> > aircraft that can and probably will fail!!!! <br>
> > <br>
> > Approximately 40 rubber fabricators have been contacted to mass
produce! a <br>
> > reliable rubber bond. They will prototype for $200,000-$300,000 with
no <br>
> > guarantees. The genuine Hyde Mount rubber bond is a 4-6 hour direct
labor <br>
> > process - with a proven life of over 7000 flights. Upon disassembly
of <br>
> > high time genuine Hyde Mounts it appears the bond would likely remain
<br>
> > reliable for 14,000 flights or equal to the expected rubber life!!!! <br>
> > <br>
> > Hyde Mounts are so reliable that even the severe cantilever force
loads <br>
> > imposed upon the rubber bonding of NO NOSE RING required Hyde Mounts
have <br>
> > been proven to endure thousands of flights without pull apart or f!
ailure. <br>
> > <br>
> > Some have experienced problems and beam breakage with undrilled nylon
<br>
> > composite beam Hyde Mounts offered several years ago. Modelers often
did <br>
> > not drill or install blinds nuts per suggestions provided. Hyde Mount
<br>
> > n! ylon <br>
> > beams when properly drilled are designed to break at around 100 lbs.
force <br>
> > load - or at around 50G's for a 2 lb. engine - aircraft snap at around
<br>
> > 15-18 <br>
> > Gs. Hyde Mounts now with pre-drilled beams and blind nuts installed
have <br>
> > only been reported to break when crashed or impacted. The deliberate
100 <br>
> > lbs. force breakage point often prevents more severe damage to the <br>
> > engine/crankshaft/firewall/aircraft/mount. <br>
> > <br>
> > Salvage your hardware investment: Reliable rubber bonding service <br>
> > available for the "do-it-yourself" mount builder or other
brands. Simply <br>
> > send your preferred hardware parts and rubber to: Merle Hyde ! <br>
> > <br>
> > -------------------------------------------------------------- <br>
> > <br>
> > Thanks - Merle <br>
> > <br>
> > _______________________________________________ <br>
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