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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>This is all hindsight.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>It's an emotive joke to say that I and
everyone else should have read every post on a forum somewhere. My
responsibility is to read and use the manual. The people selling the products
did not warn me in their literature about topping-up a fully charged battery.
(12 days since its last charge.)</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Just you wait, your complacency takes a huge nose
five when the flames appear. You think you are doing it right and that other
folks must be screwing-up then BOOM! it's you!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I did what Jim says should be done. It said 3-cell
is was then turned up to 2 Amps. What I did not do was wait until stage-2
actually had kicked in. Even then I don't know if I would have seen anything
wrong. If they have to be charged as individual cells then take the other stuff
off the market NOW!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>This is like exploding gas tanks all over
again....</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Eric. (Admittedly very spooked right now by this
experience)</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=jim.woodward@schroth.com href="mailto:jim.woodward@schroth.com">Jim
Woodward</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">'NSRCA Mailing List'</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, March 22, 2006 10:02
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Dodged a
Bullet Today!!!!</DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I thought that with
the Astro 109, if you were unsure of the charge state of the battery, you
should begin the charge with the little nob turned down all the way to
zero??<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Jim
w.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> <A
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</A>
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B><A
href="mailto:DaveL322@comcast.net">DaveL322@comcast.net</A><BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Wednesday, March 22, 2006 9:53
AM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> <st1:PersonName
w:st="on">NSRCA Mailing List</st1:PersonName><BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Dodged a
Bullet Today!!!!</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">For some people, sticking with glow might be the best
solution.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Some have noted specific "No No's" with regard to
charging lipos - there are a number of universally agreed "Rules" that would
have prevented this situation (if followed), and there are a number of
theories/approaches/practices for safe charging, care, and handling of lipos
that also would have prevented this situation (if followed). And in
particular, there are rules/practices specific to the 109
charger. All of these things are discussed in detail in many forums
on RCU and RCGroups. From everything I've read, it is extremely
rare to see a lipo flame when good practices are being followed - but - the
potential always exists, no matter how small (keeping in mind potential
hazards/situations are everywhere in our daily
lives).<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Dave<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<BR>From: "Glenn Hatfield" <randy10926@COMTEKMAIL.COM> <BR><BR>> I
would never hear anything from the back of the pea-cup truck. Maybe the 1st
<BR>> rule is stick with glow. <BR>> Randy <BR>> <BR>> ---
seefo@san.rr.com wrote: <BR>> <BR>> From: "Doug Cronkhite"
<BR><SEEFO@SAN.RR.COM>> To: "'<st1:PersonName w:st="on">NSRCA Mailing
List</st1:PersonName>'" <BR><NSRCA-DISCUSSION@LISTS.NSRCA.ORG>> Subject:
Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Dodged a Bullet Today!!!! <BR>> Date: Tue, 21 Mar
2006 21:08:56 -0800 <BR>> <BR>> Actually.. <BR>> <BR>> <BR>>
<BR>> 1st rule of Li-po charging is.. Never charge unattended. <BR>>
<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> 2nd rule is never charge in your car. <BR>>
<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> Eric got really lucky and I suspect won't be
doing either 1 or 2 again. <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> -Doug
<BR>> <BR>> ! <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> _____ <BR>>
<BR>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org <BR>>
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Dean Pappas
<BR>> Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 8:51 PM <BR>> To: <st1:PersonName
w:st="on">NSRCA Mailing List</st1:PersonName> <BR>> Subject: Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Dodged a Bullet Today!!!! <BR>> <BR>> <BR>>
<BR>> Hey Evil, <BR>> <BR>> I'd rather be lucky than good: any day!
<BR>> <BR>> And that's why you use a charger that looks at each tap,
before charging, in <BR>> order to determine the number of cells. The
same problem exists when <BR>> dis-charging packs. That's how I trashed
one cell in one of my 5Ses. <BR>> <BR>> Dean <BR>> <BR>>
-----Original Message----- <BR>> From:
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org on behalf of Grow Pattern <BR>>
Sent: Tue 3/21/2006 6:04 PM <BR>> To: <st1:PersonName w:st="on">NSRCA
Mailing List</st1:PersonName> <BR>> Cc: <BR>> Subject:
[NSRCA-discussion] Dodged a Bullet Today!!!! <! BR>> <BR>> <BR>>
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_4056141/an
chors_4064428/mpage_1/key_/ancho <BR>> r/tm.htm#4064428See picture on
RCU.I had a bit of a set back today with my <BR>> winter fun 40 sized
glow to electricconversion. I had wanted to try the <BR>> Thunderpower
4200 instead of the Tanic3600. I set off to the field with a <BR>>
borrowed Thunderpower 4200 mAh pack. Iset the Astroflight 109 to 2 Amps. It
<BR>> ent to stage 1 and was calibrating toa 3 cell pack and was well on
its way <BR>> to charging the pack, or at least so Ithought . I have done
this <BR>> topping-it-up many times before. I set it on a 2Amp charge
rate.I never made <BR>> it to the field. I heard a light "Phuttt!" about
ten minutesinto the <BR>> journey. I stopped the van and ran back to the
back doors. Thebattery was <BR>> bloated and looking bad. I grabbed the
Deans connectors andunplugged it. <BR>> Dangling it by the lead and as
far away from my face aspossible I lowered it <BR>> to the curbside.I
then personally backed ! up and was about to move my van <BR>> forward a
bit . (Ihad just put 3! <BR>> 5 gallons in it!). Seemed like a good idea
to get clear. Neverhad the <BR>> chance. The pack blew up in a ball of
flame about a cubic yard insize and <BR>> proceeded to burn fiercely. I
had grabbed the fire extinguisher butdecided <BR>> not to use it.The
local police joined me for a while and seemed more <BR>> interested in
theplanes in the back of the van than the charred remains. I <BR>>
scraped all of thebits up to keep the country side pretty. Estimated that
<BR>> the grass would growback soon, and went home.Fortunately I was able
to get <BR>> it out of the van before it blew up intoflames etc.Long and
the short of it <BR>> is. "Do not charge a fully charged battery with
anautomatic charger"Dodged a <BR>> BIG bullet today.....Regards,Eric.P.S.
If 3 fully charged cells = 12 V plus, <BR>> and 4 discharged cells = 12
Vplus, then how does the charger know which ! is <BR>> which? <BR>>
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