<div>I have .60 size GP Cap 21 that I flew in pattern, started with a .91 four-stroke, ended up with a 1.20. I did not have much of a problem snapping, but then I took out over half of the recommended elevator throw. IMHO, that is the main reason the Cap earned the snapping reputation, most people put WAY too much throw in the elevator. I used the snap switch for the avalanche, and had to do an outside snap to keep the nose from dropping out.</div> <div> </div> <div>The "trimming" chart that came with the kit was junk. I tossed it out after reading about adding wingtip weight to correct pulling to the side in a vertical climb. The recommended throws, as you suggested, were bogus as well.</div> <div> </div> <div>Until I put the 1.20 in it, it was tail heavy and took a few ounces of weight in the cowl. I did several things to save weight in the tail while I was building it, and could have done more.</div> <div> </div> <div>Bob R.</div> <div><BR><BR><B><I>Rick
Wallace <rickwallace45@hotmail.com></I></B> wrote:</div> <BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid"> <DIV> <div>Chris - </div> <div>No experience w/ that CAP 21, but my GP .60 size one could be a real handful - with the recommended CG and throws it would snap out at the top of an inside loop... not friendly for a nove aerobatic pilot... </div> <div>I'd say the design fully earned the nickname 'SNAP21'... <BR>Rick <BR></div> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #a0c6e5 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"><FONT style="FONT-SIZE: 11px; FONT-FAMILY: tahoma,sans-serif"> <HR color=#a0c6e5 SIZE=1> From: <I>"White, Chris" <chris@ssd.fsi.com></I><BR>Reply-To: <I>NSRCA Mailing List <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org></I><BR>To: <I>"NSRCA Mailing List" <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org></I><BR>Subject: <I>Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Help Needed--Off-Topic (Cap 21 88" WS /GPGiantScale
from 1980's)</I><BR>Date: <I>Thu, 16 Mar 2006 14:53:24 -0600</I><BR><BR> <META content="Microsoft SafeHTML" name=Generator> <STYLE> .shape {;} </STYLE> <STYLE> p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal {margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:12.0pt;font-family:'Century Gothic';} p {margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12.0pt;font-family:'Times New Roman';} span.EmailStyle17 {font-family:Arial;color:windowtext;} span.EmailStyle19 {font-family:Arial;color:navy;} @page Section1 {size:8.5in 11.0in;margin:1.0in 1.25in 1.0in 1.25in;} div.Section1 {page:Section1;} </STYLE> <DIV class=Section1> <div class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I’m interested to see the answer to Dave’s question of whose kit. I have a NIB Byron Cap 21 kit and it is the injection molded all-foam version which is designed to be monokoted as with the Byron Pitts. I think the thing would
probably do well with Glow (OS160 & pipe or Moki 210)….but I hear they used to call them the snapping caps with a gas engine (how do you spell wing loading…) which at that time was probably the Q35. ( Also the fear of a leaking gas tank in a foam airplane???)</SPAN></FONT></div> <div class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT> </div> <div class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Chris </SPAN></FONT></div> <div class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT> </div> <DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="TEXT-ALIGN: center" align=center><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'"> <HR align=center width="100%" SIZE=2> </SPAN></FONT></DIV> <div class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Dave Michael<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Thursday, March 16, 2006 2:40 PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> NSRCA Mailing List<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Help Needed--Off-Topic (Cap 21 88" WS / GPGiantScale from 1980's)</SPAN></FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'"></SPAN></FONT></div></DIV> <div class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Century Gothic" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </div> <DIV> <div class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Who is the
manufacturer? Is an an old Byron kit?</SPAN></FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'"></SPAN></FONT></div></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 4pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN: 5pt 0in 5pt 3.75pt; BORDER-LEFT: black 1.5pt solid; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none"> <DIV> <div class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">----- Original Message ----- </SPAN></FONT></div></DIV> <DIV style="font-color: black"> <div class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4"><B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <A title=lld613@psci.net href="mailto:lld613@psci.net">Lisa & Larry</A> </SPAN></FONT></div></DIV> <DIV> <div class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">To:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <A title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">'NSRCA Mailing List'</A> </SPAN></FONT></div></DIV> <DIV> <div class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Sent:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> Thursday, March 16, 2006 3:01 PM</SPAN></FONT></div></DIV> <DIV> <div class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Subject:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> [NSRCA-discussion] Help Needed--Off-Topic (Cap 21 88" WS / GP GiantScale from 1980's)</SPAN></FONT></div></DIV> <DIV> <div class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'"></SPAN></FONT> </div></DIV> <div class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I acquired a kit and looking for some weight saving tips. I’m trying to see if a DA-50 is a good match for this plane. I’ve heard both “yes (will have unlimited vertical)” and “no (lead sled about 24 to 26 pounds). I thought I heard this plane was designed for the quadra 35, which I believe was one a of a few gas engines available then.</SPAN></FONT></div> <div class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT> </div> <div class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">My 1<SUP>st</SUP> reaction to this plane weighing 26lbs was that I couldn’t build it that heavy if I tried. Then when I opened the box and saw the steel landing gear weighing in at a pound and the plans have the wing / stabs
fiber-glassed and painted, I thought it’s could be possible if the quadra 35 was real heavy back then as well.</SPAN></FONT></div> <div class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT> </div> <div class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Don’t have the experience to know so I’m hoping someone here has actual experience that may help me get it right the first time.</SPAN></FONT></div> <div class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT> </div> <div class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Any thoughts?</SPAN></FONT></div> <div class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT> </div> <div class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Larry</SPAN></FONT></div>
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